I try my best to never shoot past 40 unless i just misjudge my yardage, for me its all about playing the game! Will lead kill em dead? Yes sir all day long, buts you just cant beat the pattern density if the tss. Longbeard #4 on left tss #9 in the middle and longbeard #5 on the right all shot at 40 yards with mossberg 930 with a carlson 660 choke. I can get a little better out of the lead with some other chokes i have but there is just no comparison. Disclaimer- not everyone shooting tss is after 60-90 yard sniper shots!!