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Ski

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Getting plenty new bucks shifting in finally. No giants or old guys but nice up & comers to look forward to in coming years.

The last one has me excited. He looks like a late born 1.5yr old but has a very, very nice rack for his age. Take those horns off & he looks like a button buck.
 

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Yes sir
It's nice to symetrical racks in your future vs the ol scrub bucks .

Yeah it sure is. The other place is almost entirely scrubby, one sided, big forky, stunted racks. The last two pics are the biggest ones regularly using the property this year. One is a fork & the other is one of the very few pretty normal racks minus a split G2. The two properties aren't 10mi apart as a crow flies, are hunted only by me, yet the buck quality is night and day different. On one place I rarely see a goofy rack. On the other I rarely see a normal rack. Has me scratching my head all the time.
 

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Yeah it sure is. The other place is almost entirely scrubby, one sided, big forky, stunted racks. The last two pics are the biggest ones regularly using the property this year. One is a fork & the other is one of the very few pretty normal racks minus a split G2. The two properties aren't 10mi apart as a crow flies, are hunted only by me, yet the buck quality is night and day different. On one place I rarely see a goofy rack. On the other I rarely see a normal rack. Has me scratching my head all the time.
I hear stories like this fairly frequently. Makes me wonder what is going on in that area where everybody has a messed up antler on one side. I fully get why hunters assume it is genetic, even though it isn't. But is there an extraordinary amount of late-season fighting on that property? What drives so much pedicle damage?
 
I hear stories like this fairly frequently. Makes me wonder what is going on in that area where everybody has a messed up antler on one side. I fully get why hunters assume it is genetic, even though it isn't. But is there an extraordinary amount of late-season fighting on that property? What drives so much pedicle damage?

There has to be, although I've not actually seen it or caught it on camera. I was out yesterday & found deep printed buck prints dotting an area about the size of a living room. I'm assuming that was a fight but can't tell if it was just sparring or a real banger. I sometimes see young bucks pushing one another around but nothing that would do this kind of damage.

You reckon it could be environmental? The place has a lot of thickness and several low gum swamp areas that hold water for days after a good rain. Leading up to this summer it had been wet for about 3yrs straight. I'm not sure if hoof rot is a thing for deer like it is for elk, but if so that could potentially be it. I know that's a left field reach but I'm at a loss, and I do see an awful lot of limping deer.
 
The only way to know if it is environmental (damage to growing antlers) is to see the same buck from year to year and see an antler that was messed up one year become more normal later in life. Pedicle damage never gets better with time. It only gets worse.
 
The only way to know if it is environmental (damage to growing antlers) is to see the same buck from year to year and see an antler that was messed up one year become more normal later in life. Pedicle damage never gets better with time. It only gets worse.

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid in a few years I'm going to see a bunch of half rack mature bucks.
 
BSK
With all the work you did on various properties you must have seen this sort of thing . I am sure its not just one contributing factor . Doe to buck ratio ,nutrition, physical damage,terrain features,
Who knows what else could play a part in what humans call abnormal racks . Maybe its just the way it is !!! Heck we all dont look the same 🤪
 
BSK
With all the work you did on various properties you must have seen this sort of thing . I am sure its not just one contributing factor . Doe to buck ratio ,nutrition, physical damage,terrain features,
Used to see it a LOT in the Deep South. The reason being their very late rut. With peak breeding in February, but antler drop only a month or two away, fighting bucks can tear off another buck's antler pretty easy. LOTS of pedicle damaged bucks down there.
 
I hear that BSK
We here in SE Alabama are just twittlin our thumbs till mid January . Theses does will breed right up to spring turkey around here.
But the rack damage is done well before then . Do you mean it sets up the damage for the next growing season ?
 
I hear that BSK
We here in SE Alabama are just twittlin our thumbs till mid January . Theses does will breed right up to spring turkey around here.
But the rack damage is done well before then . Do you mean it sets up the damage for the next growing season ?
When a buck's antler gets knocked off too early, it tears the core out of the antler's pedicle (like pulling a scab off too early and the center has not healed yet). This damage to the pedicle will cause the antler to grow very strangely in the future, usually produce a big spike, cluster of spikes, or a stunted odd-shaped antler. And this pedicle damage is permanent. It will never heal, and each time that antler falls off, it will tear away more of the pedicle, making the odd antler growth worse with age.
 
When a buck's antler gets knocked off too early, it tears the core out of the antler's pedicle (like pulling a scab off too early and the center has not healed yet). This damage to the pedicle will cause the antler to grow very strangely in the future, usually produce a big spike, cluster of spikes, or a stunted odd-shaped antler. And this pedicle damage is permanent. It will never heal, and each time that antler falls off, it will tear away more of the pedicle, making the odd antler growth worse with age.

Well that's not very encouraging. Thanks for the Debbie downer news 🙄

Just kidding 😂 I'm actually pretty curious to see what becomes of some of these weird looking deer. I've seen the occasional one sided buck but never ave I seen such a chunk of the buck population with weird stuff like this. And it wasn't the case a couple years ago. It's just been the last two years it became a "thing" on this property.
 

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