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What shells do you guys recommend for a .410 shotgun? Taking my son out this year turkey hunting for the first time and he wont try the "big gun" but will shoot the .410 blindfolded if he could! I read some different specs but would like to know of what really works, any experienced ideas welcomed - Thanks!
 
Check your regs. If I remember right, the reg is legal shotguns for turkey hunting are 28 gauge or larger shooting number 4 shot or smaller.
 
As others have mentioned the .410 any further than 10 yards is probably stretching it for a grown gobbler as they can be tough, tough birds. There's only 93 shot in a 3" shell with #4s. Not sure what the pattern looks like but in a youngster's hands, there's just not alot of marigin for error there.

Whatever you decide, good luck to you and son and hope you roll a big one.
 
jonnylong said:
I killed all sorts of critters with a .410 when I was a kid.
I smiled when read this and remembered some of the stunts I pulled as a clueless, toe-headed kid! I can recall countless squirrels, rabbits, coons, armadillos, possums, muskrats, and miscellaneous birds but never tried a turkey. My cousin even killed a few deer with a slug before graduating up to the thutty-thutty.
 
jonnylong said:
10 yards? Really? I figured 20-25 yards. I killed all sorts of critters with a .410 when I was a kid.

That is 30'.... sounds good to me.... especially with a .410

there is a big difference in toughness between critters and gobblers....
 
Find some 3" #7.5 shot and you should have no problem killing a bird at 20-25 yards. The 7.5s will give you much better pattern density than 6s and will retain plenty of energy to kill a turkey at those distances.
 
Grizzly Johnson said:
jonnylong said:
10 yards? Really? I figured 20-25 yards. I killed all sorts of critters with a .410 when I was a kid.

That is 30'.... sounds good to me.... especially with a .410

there is a big difference in toughness between critters and gobblers....

A gobbler's head and neck is soft and relatively easy to penetrate or break. If you have a load that will kill a squirrel at 20 yards, it will kill a turkey at 20 yards if shot in the head/neck.
 
I have a Stevens Model 94 .410 that I have owned since I was 8 (20 years). I have killed well in excess of 100 squirrels with it. I have shot squirrels stone dead at 40 yards with it.

However, I have lost a lot of squirrels that crawled in holes and the like. I have also bashed the heads in of many that were trying to crawl away.

I have never patterned my .410, but I don't think it would be even an average turkey gun. I also can't see having the pattern density to kill a turkey much past 15 yards.

Now, the original question here was the use of a .410 to start a kid turkey hunting. Let's think about this for a minute. When youth turkey hunting, you have two things to think about. Number one is recoil. We eliminate the 10 ga and 3.5" 12 ga loads. I don't care if the 13 yo punk says he can handle those 3.5" loads. Let's leave them at home.

The second thing to consider is the ability of the youth hunter to quickly acquire the target and make an accurate shot. This is probably a bigger consideration than recoil. Target practice will help but a lot of this comes with experience. Considering that youth hunters will by and large be slower to get on target and less accurate with the shot, we want a gun with plenty of shot and a pattern that is dense but not too dense.

The .410 makes the cut on recoil but fails on the second consideration. Most gobblers will not walk-in to 15 yards and stand motionless, while the youth hunter steadies himself and makes a perfect shot.

I still squirrel hunt with my .410, but I pass on as many shots as I take, and limit myself to high percentage shots no further than 20 yards. The best youth turkey gun is a 20 gauge. If he/she is not big enough to handle the recoil of a 20 gauge, then they probably just need to tag along on a turkey hunt and save their shooting days for later.
 
Do you guys think a turkey gets lead poison and dies because of lead shot in it's body caused from being shot at and not killed?
 
I would probably go with 6 shot or 7 1/2 one.
Leaning more towards the 7 1/2.
Never shot a .410 in regards to patterning for a turkey hunt though.

Best of luck to you and your son !!!
 
This is great news to me. A .410 is the only shotgun I have after a break in. I've replaced handguns and rifles but not shotguns. I've been using a bow but my son is not bow ready.

Brad
 
My grandfather and uncles killed literally hundreds of turkeys in the Big Cypress swamp in south Florida with 410 shotguns. I myself killed my first dozen or so with those same guns. Used mainly 8's and 9's back then. Would easily break one's neck out to 25 yards.
 
Fiocchi makes a 3/4 ounce low recoil 20 ga. Load with a 1075 fps velocity. This is what my daughter uses on doves. They get the job done for that. They should produce about the same recoil as a 3" 410 load if gun weights are the same.
 
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