If your looking for a used bow and know what you want check Archery Talk. You can find some real good deals on there. From my experience they will be cheaper on there than ebay. Of the bows you mentioned in your first post, I have only seen the Venture. I liked it and came close to buying it for a back up but changed my mine. I guess you have thought about this but maybe not so I'll mention it. If you buy a used bow, an Elite is the only bow that I know of where their warranty will transfer to you. It doesn't bother me to buy used because I can do my own work and can find parts on Archery Talk and Ebay, but it is something to consider.