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Age a couple please

Keep in mind post-rut pics will not allow for as much aging accuracy as pre-rut, or during rut pics.
But then, wherever you took these January pics, may be middle of the rut there for all I know at present.

Top buck: 3 1/2 or older.
(Possibly a good bit older, but not knowing any other details, 3 1/2 is where my "guess" begins.)

Bottom buck: 2 1/2 or older.
 
Thanks, I'm confident the bottom one is 2.5. The other one is the one I can't figure out. I'm hoping 3.5 though for sure. I had an early picture of him, but every one of my deer, not just the bucks, disappeared around mid november. I don't hunt the food plot itself, but I hunt in the vicinity of it and I couldn't see a deer and only got a picture of a small spike. I don't know if it was a result of my getting the food plot in late and the deer scattering more than usual or if my unusually high number of coyotes this year had them ran off, but they are back now in full force. That area looks like a war zone.
 
Top buck is no doubt at least 3.5 with a good shot at 4.5, bottom is 2.5


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