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Ocoee Ridge Runner

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I just got the new XOP Reaper climber that has the rubber lone wolf style traction belts and I haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Anyone used those style belts on a climber? How do they compare to the summit cables for climbing? Any issues? Thx
 
I had the Lone Wolf hand climber for years until my bad shoulder made it too difficult to use. I have the Summit Titan now. I think the Lone Wolf traction belts were very durable and for me much easier to use. I think the traction belt allowed for smaller leveling adjustments to the seat compared to my Titan. Both are fantastic stands jut preferred the belts more.
 
LW came with a 19" belt, meant it couldn't be used on trees as big as a summit could. They offered a longer belt at extra cost. It was said the longer belt wasn't rigid enough and people had problem climbing with it... this was when they first came out, things may have changed. The belts are much quieter than the cables and could be adjusted as the climb progressed, summit was not meant to be adjusted, some did, I did and still do, but I only use a summit top. The base I have is very hard to find even mentioned anymore, it was made by North Star, The Tree Cat Archer. It uses a solid belt (no teeth) longer than the LW and stays fairly rigid, is adjustable with the squeeze of a cam, the belt is spring loaded as long as you load it before the climb. I swap out tops based on the type of hunting and use a LW hand climber if not the summit. To this day I can't figure out how to climb with the LW without muscling myself up the tree, there is no place to put your hands and push up. Kind of have to hug the tree with your chest on the seat and lift the base with your legs, long strides are not possible.

The base and the LW top are about as light a stand as it gets, both fold up although I don't fold up the base, gear is packed there. I have it down to walking up to a tree, swing the stand off my back right to the tree, pull the belt round the tree and it all sits there like a table till I climb. I need a bit to rest.

Best thing to do is practice, get to know how the stand feels so when something doesn't feel right you know it before it's too late. The top of the Archer failed, I felt it before putting weight to it, it was dark. Based is constructed different from the top, never an issue. Got to a point to tie off, hunted the morning and climbed down at lunch time. It was a chore keeping the top together till the ground. It fell apart when I took it off the tree. Be a better story if I had shot something :)
 
Thanks for the information. I loved climbing and hunting out of the summit but hated nesting it and carrying on my back. I'm really hoping the XOP climbs just as good because the fold flat design is a huge plus.
 
Thanks for the information. I loved climbing and hunting out of the summit but hated nesting it and carrying on my back. I'm really hoping the XOP climbs just as good because the fold flat design is a huge plus.
good for carrying, not so good for setting up without being seen or heard. The less steps the better IMO

Write a review on it, I'd be interested in reading it. I was all in on LW, did a lot of on line research, the reviews started coming in, the belt size bothered me given the cost, limited the size tree it could be used on. Then there was the weight they claimed it was, it was heavier. What people were looking for then was light weight... said they were around 14, they were 16... the archer was 14. I finally saw one at Bass Pro, the camo was very bad, it was a neon sign, never bought one. The hand climbers were hard for a lot of people and you could buy just the top, I did. The Archer base with the LW top weigh around 12 pounds, maybe less.

Wow, just looked at an XPO on line, almost 21 pounds. Should be sturdy.

From the web site: "• Built like a tank" lol I'd say so. Have wanted a tank round on some deer that always busted me :)

At the time baby brother and I were hunting an area that took 2 miles to pack into, weight mattered. Brother used a Loggy Bayou Climbing Tree Stand & Hand Climber, he could get up a tree fast... super fast. It wasn't heavy.
 
Summits are aluminum now a way lighter than the steel one were. I've got both haven't used the steal one in years. The viper aluminum model weighs 19 pounds. And with military kidney belt and straps I can hardly few it. Now when I add my back pack in the cold months is when the weight gets a little much.
 
I have a Lone Wolf Sit and Climb Wide, my son has a Summit Viper and side by side comparison the Lone Wolf wins in just about every category. The climbing straps are so quiet to set up and climb. The only nod I'd give to the summit cable system is they are a bit stiffer and will fold a lil bit larger leaf stem out of the way. But, because it's a lil bit more limber you can manipulate them around knots and such while going up and down. The adjustment system is ALOT easier to adjust while climbing with the Lone Wolf, you use one hand on either side to easily and quietly adjust the belt length, you can adjust the platform belt easily as well while on the tree. The Summit cable system with the stiff metal pull down keeper is a pain to adjust while on the tree and a lot louder Btw I'm 6', 182lbs the lone wolf folks recommended the "wide" size for me, now after using it for the past several years I'm very pleased I went with the wide size. I love my Lone Wolf!!
 
The XOP belt adjusters are much more complicated than the LW. Also I'm not sure I like dropping the shooting rail to sit on it just feels awkward. I'm leaning toward returning it but I absolutely love the fold flat design and keep thinking I can overlook its shortcomings for that feature alone and how easy it is to pack up. I just have one climb in it but it felt so different from my old viper. Why can't Summit make a fold flat climber.
 

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