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Im shooting a parker blackhawk XP, 60lbs limbs, and a 26 inch draw. I was shooting a ultra lite 31, 70lbs. The ultra lite seemed easier to draw than the blackhawk. Dont get me wrong, the draw is smooth with my blackhawk, lot smoother than UL but it seems like I am pulling a LOT more with the blackhawk. With the shorter draw length, could I be pulling more poundage??? I know this is a stupid question, but just curious. It just seems like so much more, I mean at full draw, when before I was relaxed, now im still holding on. It actually sometimes jerks, trying to let back down. What do you guys think. When your shooting with someone, it can be kinda embarrassing, cause they think you cant even pull your own bow back, how can you shoot.
 
Generally a bow with 70 lb limbs maxed out is a couple lbs higher than the marked weight atleast thats what I was always told....

Example

My hoyt was set on 70 maxed to the gill and on the scale it said 72

2 lbs is a big difference when your holding it!!

If thats what you was asking??
 
The draw cycle will make a big difference . Sounds like the Blackhawk has a harsher draw cycle with a short letoff valley .
 
My wifes Blackhawk is the same way, VERY short valley. If you let up at all it will try to jump forward. Great bow though, she loves it.
 
spitndrum said:
Generally a bow with 70 lb limbs maxed out is a couple lbs higher than the marked weight atleast thats what I was always told....

Example

My hoyt was set on 70 maxed to the gill and on the scale it said 72

2 lbs is a big difference when your holding it!!

If thats what you was asking??
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thats not completely true. the 60 lb limbs on one of my bows bottoms out at 58 lbs. the other bottoms out at 64 lbs.
 
Each bow is different, even the same bow with same pound limbs...twists in the buss cable can add or subtract poundage.

However, for your blackhawk it is deffinately due to cam design. Shorter valley, and more agressive cams mean tougher draw cycle.
 
stik said:
spitndrum said:
Generally a bow with 70 lb limbs maxed out is a couple lbs higher than the marked weight atleast thats what I was always told....

Example

My hoyt was set on 70 maxed to the gill and on the scale it said 72

2 lbs is a big difference when your holding it!!

If thats what you was asking??
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thats not completely true. the 60 lb limbs on one of my bows bottoms out at 58 lbs. the other bottoms out at 64 lbs.
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I believe that it varies thru manufacturers, my guardian maxed out 70# limbs pulls almost 73#, i could be wron but i think that string stretch plays a part as well
 
ratsnakeboogy said:
My wifes Blackhawk is the same way, VERY short valley. If you let up at all it will try to jump forward. Great bow though, she loves it.
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Im glad Im not alone. I love my bow. I just thought that maybe my limbs were messed up or I got the wrong labeled limbs and was actually pulling 70. Then I thought, well maybe me having a shorter draw length may have something to do with it. Maybe shortens the valley of the bow or something.
 
dmitchell28 said:
ratsnakeboogy said:
My wifes Blackhawk is the same way, VERY short valley. If you let up at all it will try to jump forward. Great bow though, she loves it.
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This is exactly what I am talking about. Im glad Im not alone. I love my bow. I just thought that maybe my limbs were messed up or I got the wrong labeled limbs and was actually pulling 70. Then I thought, well maybe me having a shorter draw length may have something to do with it. Maybe shortens the valley of the bow or something.
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It's just the nature of that cam, my Mathews bows have a descent valley on them, when I shoot my wifes Blackhawk I have to watch what I'm doing. The first week she shot it we lost a few arrows :grin:, and if not for the wrist sling the bow itself would have been launched. She likes it now though.
 
Have you had the bow checked on a scale. It is possible the bow you got is a 70lb. model. If the bow truly pulls 60lbs. then its a difference in the cam system, letoff percentage or limb deflection.

Everyone has a different physical makeup. You and I may have similar levels of strength, but you may pull a lot more poundage than me. It has to do with musculature, also frame dimensions. If my arms are longer or my shoulders are wider my joints and where one muscle group takes on the bow draw weight will vary from person to person, in relation to the draw curve of the bow (which will not change, unless the bow is adjusted). That is why some people love the draw of a bow and the next guy hates it. Some people (like me) likes the restistance of a bow to push back (that is why I actually prefer a bow with 65% letoff than 80%). Some archers want more fluidity and a "smoother" draw. That is why everyone here says shoot the bow. You may love a draw or you may hate it.

If the bow is pulling 60lbs. and you like shooting it, keep shooting it. You will get used to it. If it starts to hurt, you may need to lower the poundage, adjust the draw length (usually shorten), or look for another bow/cam. But, that is extreme. You will most likely just get used to it. Then your old bow will feel strange to you. That is why some guys are so intense that their bow brand has the smoothest draw, it is what they are used to (similar to their old bow) and it fits them and their body.
 
Thanks guys for all the input. I was gonna have it checked the other day but walked out without doing it.
I have gotten used to the bow, cause I have been shooting it all summer, and its not a problem, it was just one of those things you always wonder ya know.
I definately like the way you explained all that hoss. In a round about way, its kinda what I was thinking, but I never could have put it into words like you did!!! two thumbs up!!! Thanks for the help with your alls input.
 
Limb deflection has tolorances just like anything else. Not every limb is exactly the same. That explains why some bows max out over the advertised limit and some under.

I'd bet the reason you feel like you are pulling more would be the difference in cam desing. Hard vs Soft.
 
Hoss said:
Have you had the bow checked on a scale. It is possible the bow you got is a 70lb. model. If the bow truly pulls 60lbs. then its a difference in the cam system, letoff percentage or limb deflection.

Everyone has a different physical makeup. You and I may have similar levels of strength, but you may pull a lot more poundage than me. It has to do with musculature, also frame dimensions. If my arms are longer or my shoulders are wider my joints and where one muscle group takes on the bow draw weight will vary from person to person, in relation to the draw curve of the bow (which will not change, unless the bow is adjusted). That is why some people love the draw of a bow and the next guy hates it. Some people (like me) likes the restistance of a bow to push back (that is why I actually prefer a bow with 65% letoff than 80%). Some archers want more fluidity and a "smoother" draw. That is why everyone here says shoot the bow. You may love a draw or you may hate it.

If the bow is pulling 60lbs. and you like shooting it, keep shooting it. You will get used to it. If it starts to hurt, you may need to lower the poundage, adjust the draw length (usually shorten), or look for another bow/cam. But, that is extreme. You will most likely just get used to it. Then your old bow will feel strange to you. That is why some guys are so intense that their bow brand has the smoothest draw, it is what they are used to (similar to their old bow) and it fits them and their body.
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Agreed.
 
I've also heard that the blackhawks tend to creep more than some others.

I don't know the facts of this, but I feel like the shorter ATA bows are harder to cycle than the older longer ATA bows..

Kinda like the old ones had more leverage... just my thoughts.
 
I have posted this before, I pulled 80 lbs at 50 percent letoff for about 15 years. Going to 70 lbs and 65 percent letoff was a great change.
 
ShaneHallum said:
I've also heard that the blackhawks tend to creep more than some others.

I don't know the facts of this, but I feel like the shorter ATA bows are harder to cycle than the older longer ATA bows..

Kinda like the old ones had more leverage... just my thoughts.
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ATA doesn't make any difference in draw cycle. Cam design and friction within the system will cause a harsher draw cycle .
 

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