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Does anyone else not feel this is the worst run system possible? The mistakes are one thing, but the horrendous delay is almost laughable.

Seeing how this is a computerized drawing it should be almost instantaneous. However, TWRA turns it into the most complicated and time consuming process known to modern civilizations. It is a remarkable feat.
 
Setterman said:
Does anyone else not feel this is the worst run system possible? The mistakes are one thing, but the horrendous delay is almost laughable.

Seeing how this is a computerized drawing it should be almost instantaneous. However, TWRA turns it into the most complicated and time consuming process known to modern civilizations. It is a remarkable feat.
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I will have to say that the last few years have been an embarrassment to say the least! I just hope they dont have another total disaster again. I can deal with late if its just close to being done correct??
 
well just to say something for the TWRA side...unless you know the system they use and it actually does the draw then it is tough to be a judge. I know the system they use (had no part in building it) but i have worked with KS, CO and FL which use the SAME front end and back end system. it is actually somewhat complicated to make sure everything is done correctly and fair. in addition it is 2 companys that have to work with one another to get the information from the host system to the front end system AND they have to run the draws in a testing environment to be sure everything is correct before actually running it in production.


all i am saying is it is not a "click of the button" and voila its done. You have a lot of very sensitive data to go though and a bunch of PISSED hunters if it is not done correctly.

could they do a better job of speeding up the process sure, but dont make assumptions as to how easy the system they are using is. and FYI the one they are using is the best system (company wise) that is in the hunting and fishing market to date. Same company does 33 of the 50 states.
 
REN said:
well just to say something for the TWRA side...unless you know the system they use and it actually does the draw then it is tough to be a judge. I know the system they use (had no part in building it) but i have worked with KS, CO and FL which use the SAME front end and back end system. it is actually somewhat complicated to make sure everything is done correctly and fair. in addition it is 2 companys that have to work with one another to get the information from the host system to the front end system AND they have to run the draws in a testing environment to be sure everything is correct before actually running it in production.


all i am saying is it is not a "click of the button" and voila its done. You have a lot of very sensitive data to go though and a bunch of PISSED hunters if it is not done correctly.

could they do a better job of speeding up the process sure, but dont make assumptions as to how easy the system they are using is. and FYI the one they are using is the best system (company wise) that is in the hunting and fishing market to date. Same company does 33 of the 50 states.
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Im definitely not questioning how hard it is or how involved it is, or anything about the actual process! I simply stated I hope its done RIGHT regardless of how long it takes! As you should know the draws here in TN in recent years have left a lot of people filled with doubt on the whole process!
 
oh Winchester i totally agree, just wanted to give somewhat of an insight to the actual background of how it is done is all.

like i stated i dont actually do much work with the TWRA but do some from time to time with their drawing process (mostly ducks) so i know the systems they are using is all. Now they have some internal protocol that may be a bit iffy but they are doing what they feel is the best way to be fair and correct.
 
Thanks for the inside info REN. Gives the "other side" and should help deflect some ignorant criticism.
 
I am glad to learn a little about the process. I honestly thought it was a simple task and was obviously wrong in that assumption.
REN said:
well just to say something for the TWRA side...unless you know the system they use and it actually does the draw then it is tough to be a judge. I know the system they use (had no part in building it) but i have worked with KS, CO and FL which use the SAME front end and back end system. it is actually somewhat complicated to make sure everything is done correctly and fair. in addition it is 2 companys that have to work with one another to get the information from the host system to the front end system AND they have to run the draws in a testing environment to be sure everything is correct before actually running it in production.


all i am saying is it is not a "click of the button" and voila its done. You have a lot of very sensitive data to go though and a bunch of PISSED hunters if it is not done correctly.

could they do a better job of speeding up the process sure, but dont make assumptions as to how easy the system they are using is. and FYI the one they are using is the best system (company wise) that is in the hunting and fishing market to date. Same company does 33 of the 50 states.
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My suggestion would be for TWRA to begin the application process sooner, make the deadline about 2 weeks sooner. That would make the results appear 2 weeks sooner, which could be some very valuable time for those who have to request time off weeks in advance.
 
CAMARO12 said:
It started on December 15th and ended January 26th. Its been over 5 weeks since the deadline. That's plenty of time to have the drawing completed!!!
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Do understand your frustrations, but for whatever reasons, it's not. Crap happens, lots of things take longer than expected. I'd bet Quota Lady is more frustrated than you.

Maybe next year, the simple solution is to make the deadline no later than January 15.
 
CAMARO12 said:
Maybe TWRA needs to find out their secret.
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More an issue of "differences" than secrets.

Note you had to apply separately, i.e. you entered three totally separate drawings on those refuges. Each refuge is responsible only for its own drawings. Pretty simple, relatively low number of applicants, with no "2nd choices" for other WMA's with these drawings.

By contrast, the TWRA drawings are on a much larger and more complex scale. Thousands of applicants, lots of different WMA choices per applicant. Some are "prepaid", some have to pay at time of application.

I do understand and share your frustations, just trying to point out that there is "much more complexity" to the TWRA drawings compared to those relatively small refuge drawnings.
 

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