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Finally got around to shooting some of the new h-13 7s today and was pretty impressed with them.

Shot this target at a lasered 45 yds and got 213 hits on the 8x11 sheet of paper.
I dont think Ill be buying anymore nitros :)
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Here is a good test for inexperienced turkey hunters. THis test is for demonstrating the NEGATIVES associated with a VERY tight patterned, long range turkey gun. I have demonstrated this MANY times. It WILL get the point across.

Grab your favorite 22 rifle. One without a scope is best.

Set a "coke" can up at just 20 yards.

Sit on the ground with the can just off to your left at about a 45 degree angle. (for a righty)

After you get positioned, sight down the barrel as if you were set-up on an approaching gobbler. Your can should still be about 45 degrees to your left at 20 yards.

BE HONEST with yourself. By the time you move the gun barrel to your can "turkey" target the bird will be alert, and probably moving. Sooo...try to move your gun as quickly as you can toward the coke can and get off a shot, accurately, within about 2 seconds. This is about all the time you'll have to kill your bird.

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102 said:
. . . . the NEGATIVES associated with a VERY tight patterned, long range turkey gun. . . . .
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I agree with 102 on this, and in my opinion, MOST turkey hunters would actually come home with more turkeys if they were NOT using such tight chokes. This is particularly even more the case with the less experienced turkey hunters.

The exception to my above statement may be with the more experienced and accomplished turkey hunters who have done extensive pattern testing AND have some type of optical sights on their turkey guns, i.e. I would feel handicapped with a super-tight "turkey" choke with only factory shotgun beads or even with a front & rear fiber optic sight.

But as to the #7 size shot ---- that's a different issue.
My take is this could be an excellent option to allow many turkey hunters to extend their range with a more open choke, such as factory modifed or full.

I say this in the context that as you become more experienced in turkey hunting, you will find many turkeys ONLY offer you a close-up shooting opportunity --- at least that has been my experience in most of my TN turkey hunting. Many turkeys will sneak in from behind you, walking by at 10 or 15 yards, usually offering only a very nervous close-range moving target about to run or fly back from where they came. On the other hand, many of those turkeys that will not come in close enough today, will tomorrow.

Personally, I'd never want anything tighter than factory full if I were using anything less than optical sights, but that #7 shot sounds like it might be the stuff no matter what the choke. :)
 
Not to take away from this thread about #7 shot, but to add to it . . . . . .

I've killed a lot of turkeys over the past 30 years.
For most of these years I've hunted with a shotgun capable of high-probability kills out to 40 yards or more, and was willing to take any high-probability shot out to about 40 yards.

Yet, somewhere around 85 to 90% of my turkeys have been taken under 30 yards, maybe half under 20. My point is that once you learn how to turkey hunt, the gun and shells will matter much less than when you decide to move or pull the trigger, and sometimes being "sold" on the idea of a specialized turkey gun can actually be counter-productive. If you're new to turkey hunting, you may even have a longer learning curve if you're shooting them at long range instead of calling them up closer.

Provided you can simultaneously get the bead and pull the trigger on the turkey's head at 30 yards or less, what difference will it make "what choke" or "which shells" you're using? Well, too much choke could help you miss.

Now before some start attacking this, I agree there are situations where a tighter choke is an advantage. Just saying in most situations for most hunters it may be about as much disadvantage. Like, ever seen one of those "expert" turkey-hunting guys on TV miss a "chip" shot at close range?

Big advantage I see in this H-13 #7 size shot is in maybe being able to get "full" choke range with a factory "modified", or maybe even "turkey choke" range with a factory "full".
 
gober88 said:
With these shells you will have guys shooting way to far and wounding lots of birds.
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How are you gonna blame the shells for someone taking to long of a shot? :crazy:
If your a responsible hunter you will know what your epuipment will do.
Anyone who takes the hail mary shot is a slob hunter imo

gober88 said:
And one more thing what makes these shells so expensive???
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Hevi shot is very expensive. Hevi 13 is heavier than lead and lets you get away with using smaller shot sizes so you have more pellets in a load.
 

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