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EDIT: I have the gauges I need.

Is there anywhere in the Rutherford county area that stocks reloading equipment besides Sportsman Warehouse (they don't have much of anything in the store)? I need a .308 WIN Cartridge Gauge. (among other things) I'd like to get the Hornaday but will take what I can get.
I know I can order it, but would like to pick one up today if possible, without driving to Nashville. :)
Thanks
 
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Is there anywhere in the Rutherford county area that stocks reloading equipment besides Sportsman Warehouse (they don't have much of anything in the store)? I need a .308 WIN Cartridge Gauge. (among other things) I'd like to get the Hornaday but will take what I can get.
I know I can order it, but would like to pick one up today if possible, without driving to Nashville. :)
Thanks
What is your intended purpose of the gauge? If just trying to make sure your rounds just fit your rifle, then I agree with @Jcalder , use the plunk test, if you want to chase the lands and grooves, then a better tool is needed. I ask this because you are better off with a Hornady OAL Length Gauge which can be used with multiple calibers, and you can do both the standard measurements and chase the lands and grooves too. I have multiple rifles with the same caliber, so I measure them all and load so the rounds fit all of them, and only custom load one if I intend to hunt out west with it, or if it is an outlier and either has a long or short throat lead.
 
What is your intended purpose of the gauge?
Okay here's the long version…

I've loaded my first pistol rounds, but I've not yet loaded any rifle rounds. While learning I simply sat up my press at my computer desk and figured I would move it to the garage once I got the process down. Other than a LEE press throwing spent primers everywhere; things went smoothly.

I deprimed .308 brass using a universal depriming die and then wet tumbled it clean. I lubed the case and case mouth with Imperial sizing die wax. It took a lot of pressure to run the sizing die. So much that I had to take the press to the garage and bolt it down to my bench. Now… I don't have anything to compare this to, so I thought that must be how it is.

But then I started thinking maybe the die was set wrong. I set it the way it said to in the LEE instructions. So I thought I should get a case gauge to check, before I went any farther. I haven't tried it in the rifle, but I don't think I could tell a few thousandths difference? And I wouldn't think that the fact that the bolt would close would mean much??

I'll be using these rounds in two different rifles. I thought that before I load a bunch of out of spec ammo, a $30 case gauge would be a good investment.

I don't have quick access to a range to test rifle ammo, I do most of my rifle shooting out of state. So other than varying bullet weight and powder loads, I'm trying to keep everything else as close to perfect as I can.
 
The Hornady headspace gauges would be a much better investment than a case gauge.
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Where did the brass come from? Was it shot through your rifles? Is it new brass? Does it have crimped primer pockets (not that this will cause sizing issues, but will need addressing before you prime)?

It sounds like you are full length re-sizing using Lee dies?

What press are you using?

Do you have a caliper?

Clean 308 range brass shot through anything but a machine gun should size without a lot of pressure on the handle if it is lubed properly both on up and down stroke unless it came from a really loose gun. I am not familiar with Imperial sizing lube. I use Hornady case lube that comes in a spray can and it works very well for me. If it's really hard to work the handle, I will likely stick a case and that is a place we don't want to go, but it's happened or will happen to every reloader.

I use a case gauge for every caliber I shoot and I think they are a very worthwhile tool, but as noted above, another test for sized brass is to see if it chambers easily into your rifle before proceeding to preparing your load. If it does and you also verify it's not too long (you should size all new to you brass after sizing) and passes all your visible inspections, it should be good. I have found several pistol rounds after reloading with split necks using a case gauge that escaped my visual inspection. I don't know if these rounds would have chambered but I wouldn't want to shoot them.

Once you complete the round, also make sure it chambers with the bullet. It might not and you don't want to be an hour away from your press when you figure out your rounds don't fit in the magazine and need to be seated .002 deeper in the case. I have a match chamber on a 308 and I couldn't close the bolt on some Federal Gold Metal Match 168g factory ammo, but it did fine chambering FGGM 175g. Turns out the factory seating die was out of spec and the bullet stuck out the case a little too far and was jammed in the lands. Just be careful loading live ammo at home as a discharge usually results in other family members not embracing your hobby.

Once you have fired the brass through your gun, you may want to only neck size for future loadings until it gets hard to chamber. A lot of reloaders will bump the case shoulder back .001 to .002 when they resize so their loads are more consistent. Lee makes a nice neck die that some competition shooters swear by. However, you will need to segregate your brass by rifle as every chamber is different and the fired brass may not fit all your rifles. This is very much the case of my 308s. And every rifle will have its own favorite load/OAL/bullet/powder. Good luck!
 
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For a bolt gun you need this https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/hornady-lock-n-load-oal-straight-gauge. And a modified case you thread into the gauge for your caliber. For a semi auto there is a curved gauge. I have both if you were closer, I would let you borrow them.
 
Where did the brass come from? Was it shot through your rifles? Is it new brass? Does it have crimped primer pockets (not that this will cause sizing issues, but will need addressing before you prime)?

It sounds like you are full length re-sizing using Lee dies?

What press are you using?

Do you have a caliper?

Clean 308 range brass shot through anything but a machine gun should size without a lot of pressure on the handle if it is lubed properly both on up and down stroke unless it came from a really loose gun. I am not familiar with Imperial sizing lube. I use Hornady case lube that comes in a spray can and it works very well for me. If it's really hard to work the handle, I will likely stick a case and that is a place we don't want to go, but it's happened or will happen to every reloader.

I use a case gauge for every caliber I shoot and I think they are a very worthwhile tool, but as noted above, another test for sized brass is to see if it chambers easily into your rifle before proceeding to preparing your load. If it does and you also verify it's not too long (you should size all new to you brass after sizing) and passes all your visible inspections, it should be good. I have found several pistol rounds after reloading with split necks using a case gauge that escaped my visual inspection. I don't know if these rounds would have chambered but I wouldn't want to shoot them.

Once you complete the round, also make sure it chambers with the bullet. It might not and you don't want to be an hour away from your press when you figure out your rounds don't fit in the magazine and need to be seated .002 deeper in the case. I have a match chamber on a 308 and I couldn't close the bolt on some Federal Gold Metal Match 168g factory ammo, but it did fine chambering FGGM 175g. Turns out the factory seating die was out of spec and the bullet stuck out the case a little too far and was jammed in the lands. Just be careful loading live ammo at home as a discharge usually results in other family members not embracing your hobby.

Once you have fired the brass through your gun, you may want to only neck size for future loadings until it gets hard to chamber. A lot of reloaders will bump the case shoulder back .001 to .002 when they resize so their loads are more consistent. Lee makes a nice neck die that some competition shooters swear by. However, you will need to segregate your brass by rifle as every chamber is different and the fired brass may not fit all your rifles. This is very much the case of my 308s. And every rifle will have its own favorite load/OAL/bullet/powder. Good luck!
Thanks for taking the time to help.

The brass was shot through my .308's. One a 700 VLS, the other a DPMS Recon LR-GII. They are mixed together. I just picked up 100 once fired today from another forum member. Neither rifle has more than 200-300 rounds through it and is thoroughly cleaned after each range trip.

It was new factory ammo. Most of it was 150 gr. Federal.

No crimped primer pockets.

I am using the old style LEE Turret press. My sizing die is a LEE full length. The brass was deprimed using a lee universal depriming die, and cleaned in a wet tumbler using pins. The brass is very clean and the sizing die is clean. The die is used, I don't know how much, but appears to be in good condition.

The only issue I have had with the sizing die is that the expander rod wants to back out about .030 above flush, but it locks in there and stays. It has some scratches in the clamping area which may be causing this, or I may just not be tightening it tight enough, although I've tightened it to the point of concern. But it's not hitting a primer and it seems to be going all the way through the neck. I'll replace it when I order something next time.

Every cased is lubed with Imperial, and I hit the inside of the case mouth with a Q-tip with lube on it. I've had no stuck cases.

I have calipers.
 
There's a lot that could be discussed here but way more than any of us could type lol. You're in the right direction and myself, along with most everyone else here would be willing to help. If you were closer I'd have no issue showing you what is what and their uses. Also know if you need help, I'd be happy to send you my number
 
There's a lot that could be discussed here but way more than any of us could type lol. You're in the right direction and myself, along with most everyone else here would be willing to help. If you were closer I'd have no issue showing you what is what and their uses. Also know if you need help, I'd be happy to send you my number
Thanks. I think I'm headed down the right path. Just trying to find stuff locally where I can pay cash so the credit card isn't tattling to the CFO all the time is a hassle. ;)
 
One thing to consider is that too much lube can also be an issue. A little Imperial goes a long way. Is there a point in the sizing stroke that you feel it getting hard to operate the press? Are your Lee dies possibly small base dies (they would be marked if so)?
 
One thing to consider is that too much lube can also be an issue. A little Imperial goes a long way. Is there a point in the sizing stroke that you feel it getting hard to operate the press? Are your Lee dies possibly small base dies (they would be marked if so)?
The last 1/4" or so on most of them is pretty hard.
This is what they are....
 
Okay here's the long version…

I've loaded my first pistol rounds, but I've not yet loaded any rifle rounds. While learning I simply sat up my press at my computer desk and figured I would move it to the garage once I got the process down. Other than a LEE press throwing spent primers everywhere; things went smoothly.

I deprimed .308 brass using a universal depriming die and then wet tumbled it clean. I lubed the case and case mouth with Imperial sizing die wax. It took a lot of pressure to run the sizing die. So much that I had to take the press to the garage and bolt it down to my bench. Now… I don't have anything to compare this to, so I thought that must be how it is.

But then I started thinking maybe the die was set wrong. I set it the way it said to in the LEE instructions. So I thought I should get a case gauge to check, before I went any farther. I haven't tried it in the rifle, but I don't think I could tell a few thousandths difference? And I wouldn't think that the fact that the bolt would close would mean much??

I'll be using these rounds in two different rifles. I thought that before I load a bunch of out of spec ammo, a $30 case gauge would be a good investment.

I don't have quick access to a range to test rifle ammo, I do most of my rifle shooting out of state. So other than varying bullet weight and powder loads, I'm trying to keep everything else as close to perfect as I can.
Ok, setting the Lee Pacesetter dies per instructions gets you most if not all the way there, the cheap way is to size the die, use a sharpie to mark the shoulder of the sized case, then drop into your rifle chamber and attempt to close the bolt. If it is too hard or impossible to close, and when you extract, the sharpie marks show gold marks, it means you didn't bump the shoulder enough, turn your die about an 1/8th, to a 1/4 turn and resize the case. Remember to keep your case lubed, a very light lube is fine, but relube after the second time you size it. Color the case again if it got removed. Redo the chambering process again and repeat the steps until the bolt closes smoothly, and the sharpie shows no or very light brass ring on it. Once that is done, your dies are set, for that rifle.

Now is where the Hornady gauge comes into play. Using the headspace gauge, you can measure your case and record the number for that rifle. Repeat for any other rifles in 308 you may have and you now have the numbers you need to repeat the case measurements for awhile (will change over time).

If you don't have calipers, the Harbor Freight ones work just fine, both the metal, and the plastic ones have shown to be very repeatable and the tolerance is ok for reloading purposes. I like the metal digital ones, and paid under $10 for them, though now they are about $20 (plastic is still $10) and they did away with the coupon. Both would do what you need until you find a decent deal on a better set, if you even want to upgrade.

The headspace gauges, and comparator gauges IMO, are very useful, but not entirely necessary, but you end up getting further and further into the rabbit hole as you go. The caliber specific gauges are not very economical IMO, you are better off spending that money elsewhere. The only gauges I have are the Sheridan gauges for my 300Blk and 277Wlv, but that is because those I make out of 5.56 cases and the cut-out shows any problem areas. But they are too pricey to get for the rest of the calibers, and again, not as useful in the scheme of things. As others have said, PM me and I'll send you my number to walk you through the process if you like.
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The last 1/4" or so on most of them is pretty hard.
This is what they are....
One other thing to consider is that you are not going to want to try and share the brass between the gas gun and the bolt gun. Gas guns are notoriously hard on brass, plus they can have pressure issues before bolt guns in some cases. You may or may not be able to use the same load in both rifles.
As for that last 1/4 inch or so being really hard, are you talking about the portion where it feels like the handle is "camming over"? If that is the case, you may actually be bumping the shoulder back more than needed. @Omega gave you some good advice for a simple way of finding the needed shoulder bump.
 
If you're willing to drive to Mount Juliet…. The Reloaders Bench stocks about everything you might need in the way of equipment. About an hour drive up 840 to 40 but it's right off the exit on Mt Juliet road.
 

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