As said before, Longshot, AA#9, and Blue Dot are tops for full power loads. I'm using 9.0 grains LS for my 180gr "plinking" load and 10.4 gr Blue Dot for my woods carry with 180 XTPs. But as always work up in your gun. I think the max Longshot load for a 180 is 8.5gr now but in older manuals it was higher.