I agree, never notice much when your dropping the hammer on a bird. The hevi #6 or #7 in 3.5 ain't too bad, the mag blend will start to get your attention, but the black shell HV winchester 3.5" are straight pain in that gun! :cry:Gravey said:My first turkey gun was a 500 and my second and current is an 835. I put a sims recoil pad on the 835 and it helps. Shooting paper those 3 1/2" shells will rattle your teeth but amazingly I feel nothing when the turkey is at the end of my barrel.