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Let me start by giving you a little background...

I have never bow hunted in my life, and was hoping to day would be my first day, but it was not to be.

A couple of years ago I acquired an old PSE Team Fitzgerald and shot it every once in a while (hardly ever). I was determined to bow hunt this year so I started shooting more at the beginning of the year. Didn't really like the bow, as it was not comfortable to me, so I began looking for another bow.

On July 11 I bought a new bow (Redhead Kronik, made by Diamond), after shooting about 6 different bows. I now had a bow that was very comfortable to me. July 12 I sprained / strained my wrist at work. Yep, that's right the very next day after I bought my bow I get hurt and can't even shoot it. For the next to months I went to physical therapy to get my wrist back to normal. I would about once a week attempt to pull back my bow, but each time it proved to be too painful.

As of about a week ago I can now draw my bow totally pain free! So now I am trying to get ready to hunt with it.

During the time I was injured I tied on a loop and got rid of the peep with the tubing, replacing it with a Jim Fletcher True Peep. I had always shot my PSE off the string, but I am liking the loop so far.

My bow setup...
'08 Redhead Kronik set at ~55 pounds
Copper John Dead Nuts 2 sight
Ripcord fall away rest
Jim Fletcher True Peep
Tru Ball Tru Nok
Limb Saver S Coil Stabilizer

Jim Fletcher 44 Caliper release

My arrows are Gold Tip XT Hunter 5575 with 100 grain field tips

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I decided to try paper tuning today...the root of my post...

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My first 4 shots were extreme right tears, as shown...
To correct I moved my rest left, and got the 3 shots on the left. I don't know if what I did was right or not but it seemed to improve the tear... or so I thought.

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I decided to shoot some more and got the following results...

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Alot of my tears look ok, but all of the others have me confused. Some of the shots were while the wind was blowing from right to left.

I am at a loss...what should I do???

Thanks in advance for any advice, and sorry for the long post.
 
One thing for certain, having been off the bow for that long, you will have developed some shooting form issues. Also, shooting that many shots as you tune will get you tired, hurt your form worse, and get you frustrated. Take it slow and easy, its a long archery season.
Since you don't have a Whisker Biscuit, I presume you have no fletching contact. However that may not be a fact. Fletching contact will drive you crazy and would be a prime reason your tears are hard to tune out.
Assuming that is out, how is your arrow spine? I am unfamiliar with the Gold Tips you are shooting, have you checked them out on a chart for your poundage and length?
Have you checked your top Idler Wheel for lean? Both at rest and full draw? Have you checked the bottom cam for lean also? How does your center shot look and is the arrow set at 90 degrees to the string with the rest height causing the arrow to cover the Berger hole when you look at it from the side? Do you have the tools to check all this?
That should be a very easy tuning and forgiving bow. When you shoot at 30 yards or so, can someone stand behind you and watch arrow flight? You should be able to visibly see terrible arrow flight. I don't put a lot of stock in paper tuning, I use the walk-back method after getting things roughly set for arrow square and center shot.
Go to www.archerytalk.com and www.huntingnet.com and check out the forums for "technical or bow tuning" threads. They have great information.
 
Thanks guys...

I do try to make sure my form is the same every time, however, I'm the first to admit it doesn't always happen.

According to Gold Tip charts my arrow is the correct spine.

I bought a bow square, and have the nock point set correctly.

As for center shot, it is just "eyeballed". My string, arrow, and sight pins, all seem to be on the same plane when viewed from behind.

One thing I know for sure is that I was getting tired and frustrated towards the end...
 
Do not shoot so mouch at one setting...especially if you have not shot for a while. Sounds like you got your ducks in a row, so I would bet it is over shooting. You loose form after so many shots - muscles get a little tired, grip gets weaker or srtonger, anchoring in a slightly different place and so on. Use to happen to me all the time when I first started. To me it did not make sense but an experienced bow hunter told me that if I was shooting good and then all of a sudden was'nt I was told it is time to put it down and try again tomorrow. Then if everything was fine when I first started shooting the next day I knew it was me the previous day and not my set up.

If I were you I would make sure that everything is tight and put it to bed for a day or two and then try again. If you get good results then you know it was not the bow set up it was your form that changed. Also, make sure that every time you shoot you try to anchor in the same place and hold with the same grip and just in general try to draw and release exactly the same every time. And do not shoot more than 10 or 15 shots a day unless you are just flinging arrows for fun...my .02 :wink:
 
How far away were you paper tuning ? You need to paper tune at around 10-12 feet to catch the arrow flight as it leaves the bow .
Once you have achieved a decent hole in paper , sight in your bow , then try walk back tuning or broadhead group tuning to fine tune your setup .
Sometimes paper tuning can give you false readings with grip torque or fletching contact with the rest or cables .
 
Thanks again,

For a fact fatigue and frustration had some part in it. I guess the frustration part won out, and I became so focused on getting a good tear that I paid no attention to the fact I was tired.

I was standing about 8-10 feet from the paper while tuning.

I will put a few more arrows through the paper later on and see how they look.

I just have to figure out how to shoot my bow with my fingers crossed. ;)
 
gober88 said:
Make sure your [color:#FF0000][size]grip[/size][/color], anchor everything is exactly the same every time.
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With the erradic tears, I would have to say the grip is one of the biggest causes.
 
I am shooting with a very loose grip. I would explain my grip as letting the bow hold itself. In other words I use the tension of the drawn bow to keep it in my hand while just loosely resting my fingers on the front of the grip.
 
On another note...

I just shot 6 arrows through the paper...

First 3 from 8 feet... bullet holes

Second 3 from 16 feet... left tear

Should I worry about the 3 from 16 or is that distance a non factor?
 
Make sure your fletchings are oriented the same on every arrow , and are identical . Then try walk back tuning . Paper tuning can be a lesson in futility , and walk back tuning is a good way to fine tune your bow downrange .
Broadhead group tuning with fixed blade heads is also a good way to fine tune your setup .
 
Radar said:
Make sure your fletchings are oriented the same on every arrow , and are identical . Then try walk back tuning . Paper tuning can be a lesson in futility , and walk back tuning is a good way to fine tune your bow downrange .
Broadhead group tuning with fixed blade heads is also a good way to fine tune your setup .
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Getting the fletchings oriented identically was the first thing I did when I got my arrows.

I've been doing some reading on Archery Talk and a lot of people share the same sentiment as you about paper tuning.

Maybe I should try some walk back tuning..... [insert long sigh]
 
Thanks for the links.

I just shot a few more through the paper at 16 feet... left tear...
I moved the rest to the right slightly...rested a while...IMPROVED!
Now I just have a very slight left tear, I moved the rest slightly more to the right.
After I rest for a while I will go shoot a few more and see where I am. In the meantime I will read up on walk back tuning.

Thanks for the help.
 
As inconsistent as the tears are your problem should be obvious. It's hard to diagnose over the internet but I would start with the basics.. Granted you have proper setup, from what I'm seeing I would start over and check center shot, nock height, arrow clearance (which very well could be the culprit) and form/grip. As inconsistent as your tears are your problem should be solved fairly quick. Be sure to check your bow for nay mechanical failures.

Good luck
 

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