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Observations from 1st trip to TN

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I only spent 2.5 days in the woods, but was out there for nearly the entire duration scouting even after my morning kills.

The most obvious observation is that birds are significantly larger than in years past. Not sure the reason, but there are some absolute butterballs that I've seen. I'm thinking the wet spring and warmer winter must have produced more forage?

It's also obvious that birds are behind schedule this year. Still large spring subflocks that have not broken up into individual flocks. Hens are not being bred where I'm at, and the gobblers are pretty frustrated.

My third observation is that we evidently had a terrible hatch last year. I found 4 jakes total... not good. I'm sure there are some jake wads around that I haven't seen yet, hoping there's a group of 15-20 roaming around.

And likewise, I've never seen this few adult hens. Even the large subflocks only have 15-20 females, a decade ago there would be 50-60 in the subflocks. This is probably the most ominous sign for the future.

Lastly, gobbling seemed to be significantly less than typical for opening weekend. Usually, birds hammer like crazy, but ignore calls as they follow nonreceptive hens around like puppy dogs. In years past, it was never a problem to get them to shock gobble during the day on opening weekend, but once they hit the ground, they shut up this past weekend. Usually, toms seem to gobble more than usual when the hens are not receptive (to try to bring in another hen that might be receptive) then gobble less when they are with receptive hens. I have no idea why they were talking less (and also less than usual on the roost).
 
I had similar observations this past weekend here in Middle TN. Heavy birds for sure, I killed my first one over 25lbs Saturday morning. I've seen zero jakes as well. Toms following unperceptive hens everywhere. Toms also fighting each other the whole time.
 
In my area of Dickson county we have had a significant drop in hen numbers, sadly no jakes seen as of now either. We did have some poults last year but lost track of them late Summer.
I'm hoping they moved off somewhere else but having the only cattle farm around I doubt it, for the last 20+ years we have always wintered the turkeys and have had ups and downs. This year being the lowest hen year I can remember. Instead of 75-100 bird flocks we are down to 15-20. As of right now the only flock I can find and hear within ear range has 4 long beards and 6 hens.

I'm convincing myself that Ive simply been spoiled the last decade or so at our family farm and what's happening now is not alarming. [emoji849]


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Ive seen a ton of jakes, granted this is from a single property so a pretty small sample size (in Middle TN) and YUGE flocks of hens still. like 20-30 together in a single group.
 
I'm optimistic, especially hearing REN say that and I think Catman said some public ground he hunts is still doing good, that's great.
My concern is every year, more and more people are starting to talk about a turkey decline and we have a harvest report that reflects it.

What's going to happen is people are going to seek these areas out and the competition is going to increase or people are simply going to give up and REN will eventually be the ruler of the turkey world!


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AT Hiker":1qgcupvb said:
What's going to happen is people are going to seek these areas out and the competition is going to increase or people are simply going to give up and REN will eventually be the ruler of the turkey world!


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They already do most places in mid Tn have heavy competition for public land. I have seen 10-12 trucks parked at the same gate.


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AT Hiker":3w44iahw said:
people are simply going to give up and REN will eventually be the ruler of the turkey world!


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a man can dream :)

having said that in my original post, my spot out in Smith county that use to hold pretty large number of birds hasnt had a bird on it in 2 years all the sudden. No idea what happened out there, but its like they just vanished. I know some of it has to do with the habitat changed a little (got thicker in areas) but its a pretty isolated spot. I am the only one that hunts it as well (that is allowed to at least)

I have not been out there this year to check but I dont expect it all the sudden changed back.
 
I'm in the northeast part of the state and I dont think we have as many turkeys as we did. Also it seems like they aren't using the fields as much.
 
megalomaniac":3awb5zeh said:
The most obvious observation is that birds are significantly larger than in years past. Not sure the reason, but there are some absolute butterballs that I've seen. I'm thinking the wet spring and warmer winter must have produced more forage?
In my neck of the woods, the most significant single reason is red oak acorns.
That seemed to be both the deer and the turkeys' main food item until February.

Not only has this made the deer & turkey "fatter" now
but also believe has contributed to the bucks holding their antlers longer.

Wintering turkey flocks have been delayed in breaking up this spring.
Perhaps the red oak crop has something to do with that as well?
 

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