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Ok, i have found one chink....sic?...in the armour of the Rage. Upon deploying of course it slip cams into a lock position. Hitting bone can be a very bad thing. If the Rage cant penetrate hard bone....as the Muzzy Trocar tip does, then you have a penetration problem. Al of the glory shots thru the rib cage are where it is most effective and will perform flawlessly in my past two or three years experience.....HOWEVER.....
I shot a doe a couple of weeks ago and hit solid shoulder bone and of course upon hitting it the blade fully deployed into the bone preventing total pass thru...the first in over 20 years for me...i had a quartering to me shot and figured i was goind to pass thru the lungs.....i hit solid shoulder and the arrow stopped. I waited 1 complete hour and started my trail job. the doe never stopped and bled poorly because of no deep pass thru penetration. the trail went close to 400 yards and was at best weak, then played out and i lost her. I walked in circles and quadrants looking but never found her. the bad part is the arrow is still in her having broke off about 13 inches off..I know what happenned and i see the potential for lost deer. i took a rage and shot it into a pine tree at 30 yards to see the effect of penetration ......it didnt even get the entire blade in the tree....a muzzy would have went at least a few inches...(experience from shooting at prior deer and turkeys and missing.)

So while i love them, i do see a soft spot that i NEVER experienced with a Muzzy!
Anyone else?
 
I have killed around 10 deer with the rage two blades, never had a deer run more than 40 yard. I have shot thru shoulder bone 3 times, complete pass thru with no problem.
 
You werent there and you didnt see it. Dont judge on my statements alone. I have taken over 50 deer with archery equipment and i can tell you that shot has worked many times. I am giving some input from various broadheads i have used and muzzy would have made the pass thru every time....as i stated. i have not failed to have one in over 20 years. you missed the point by looking too far ahead....on where you "thought" i was going. ;)
 
If you hit shoulder you may have a problem, but if you hit anything else then the damage will be much greater than with the muzzy or other fixed heads; and by damage I mean stuff that gets cut.
 
i dont understand all this shouder is a bad shot,ive never i mean never lost a deer shot in the shoulders with a bow,most of the time their chin smacks the ground and they push 20 yaeds and done,or they run for 40 and done,no way a shoulder shot is bad,our deers shoulders in tn are not that thick and my 60lb bow blows thru both of them
 
knightrider said:
i dont understand all this shouder is a bad shot,ive never i mean never lost a deer shot in the shoulders with a bow,most of the time their chin smacks the ground and they push 20 yaeds and done,or they run for 40 and done,no way a shoulder shot is bad,our deers shoulders in tn are not that thick and my 60lb bow blows thru both of them
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I don't think you are hitting the shoulder on these shots!
 
If you are hitting the shoulder than you are high and forward which is a poor shot. Period. Diagram self explanatory.
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Big J said:
If you are hitting the shoulder than you are high and forward which is a poor shot. Period. Diagram self explanatory.
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then why do i kill them ? keep in mind the downward angle also ,and there is always some kind of angle,ive never shot many perfectly broadside, funny thing they always die, their not superdeer
 
camoman270 said:
You werent there and you didnt see it. Dont judge on my statements alone. I have taken over 50 deer with archery equipment and i can tell you that shot has worked many times. I am giving some input from various broadheads i have used and muzzy would have made the pass thru every time....as i stated. i have not failed to have one in over 20 years. you missed the point by looking too far ahead....on where you "thought" i was going. ;)
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Listen.. I do understand what you are saying. The bigger Rage heads don't go in as deep as the smaller muzzy,slick trick,etc, etc.

So what is there to ponder.. don't shoot a broadhead that has issues with penetration into a quartering to shot into solid shoulder bone.

I do understand tho, heck the rage head has alot of mass that has to be pushed through the deer. Weither its a good heart/lung shot or a shoulder shot. Alot of people might have good luck with shoulder shots. But I definatly am not going to aim for the shoulder. If the arrow drifts or something else happens so be it.
 
There are SEVERAL places in this diagram that a MUZZY, RAGE, or MAGNUS Stinger can and will hit with VERY poor penetration and a VERY survivable outcome probability.

The HUMERUS bone can and will stop a broadhead. ANY BROADHEAD. Many hunters ASSUME this as a shoulder shot deer when in fact it is a LEG shot deer.

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Also in the scapula, or shoulder blade, there exists a RIDGE. It is TOUGH and THICK. VERY difficult to penetrate even with KE's being upwards of 65 lbs.

Where the scapula and Humerus meet, as well as the elbow where the upper leg bone and humerus meet, there are BALL SOCKETS that WILL stop a VERY heavy KE arrow.

So the bottom line is that even though we sometimes think we make good hits, we don't know for sure unless we have either video OR the recovered deer.

I have BOTH!

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Also in the scapula, or shoulder blade, there exists a RIDGE. It is TOUGH and THICK. VERY difficult to penetrate even with KE's being upwards of 65 lbs.

Where the scapula and Humerus meet, as well as the elbow where the upper leg bone and humerus meet, there are BALL SOCKETS that WILL stop a VERY heavy KE arrow.

So the bottom line is that even though we sometimes think we make good hits, we don't know for sure unless we have either video OR the recovered deer.

I have BOTH!

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Great Post!
 
bowhunterfanatic said:
Rage is better on a shot that is too far back. Fixed blade is better at shots in the shoulder. Simple as that.
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Great summation...pic your posion kind of deal. Ive been through the back soft portion of the shoulder with the rage, but why I like them is how quick they put down a liver/pauch shot deer.
 
knightrider said:
Big J said:
If you are hitting the shoulder than you are high and forward which is a poor shot. Period. Diagram self explanatory.
1017_DeerThoracicAnatomysm_2.jpg
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then why do i kill them ? keep in mind the downward angle also ,and there is always some kind of angle,ive never shot many perfectly broadside, funny thing they always die, their not superdeer
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Look at the shoulder and how it points down and forward. Just above the leg is open. I just would not be shooting that front shoulder. It is to far forward and high for my liking.
 
I absolutely LOVE this diagram by Woody Sanford. It is not the first time I've seen it. Many years ago, I saw one in the snow done by Leonard Lee Rue (sp).

So much can be learned from this photo. Look how low the heart is in relation to the lungs. Look at the liver and all the voids in the chest cavity. If you were lookin at this deer from the other side, you'd see the liver is larger on that side (right). And that it is the LARGEST organ in the body (next to skin of course)...

Also, there are MANY places an arrow can pass through the liver where there are no major arteries and therefore the shot should be treated more like a gut shot.

You can't see it in the photo, (at least I can't) but there is also a MAJOR artey in the stomach called the Pyloric that will put a deer down FAST. Much like the femural artery.

Knowing and being VERY familiar with the anatomy of the deer will help you kill and RECOVER more deer.

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