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I hunted with a guy once that never tuned his bow. He said "as long as I hit where I aim, I dont care how the arrow gets there". He also said jokingly "if there is a big tree between me and the deer, I will just aim for the tree and the arrow will go around it"..

Yeah Right....

I like to know that my bow is shooting the straightest possible path to the target...Even if I am shooting Rage, I broadhead tune with Muzzys just to satisfy myself...

What do ya think?
 
I think out to 25-30 yards it will not matter much if it's going where you aim everytime. Past that it can become very important. I know a lot of people that don't know they need to tune, they kill deer just fine. You can take tuning to an extreme, oscillations in an arrow rarely duplicate themselves exactly from one shot to another, unless your form is perfect. Temps will effect oscillations as well, so in September if you shoot at 7am your bow may be tuned, but if you shoot at 11:30 it may not be tuned perfectly anymore.

Just my opinion though.
 
I just like to know that my bow is shooting as good as it possibly can....The rest is left up to me..

I have had bows so bad out of tune that when I switched from field tips to broadheads, My shots were completely out of the kill zone at 30-yds.

I guess the straighter the arrow flies, the more speed and energy it will have on impact.

I am just a freak, I worry too much...Ha Ha..
 
An arrow needs to be flying true to get good penetration ,even with mechanical broadheads . An arrow that is not flying true with squander energy on impact . The KE needs to be driving directly behind the point for the best penetration . Any side to side movement will impede the penetration .
 
ratsnakeboogy said:
I think out to 25-30 yards it will not matter much if it's going where you aim everytime. Past that it can become very important. I know a lot of people that don't know they need to tune, they kill deer just fine. You can take tuning to an extreme, oscillations in an arrow rarely duplicate themselves exactly from one shot to another, unless your form is perfect. Temps will effect oscillations as well, so in September if you shoot at 7am your bow may be tuned, but if you shoot at 11:30 it may not be tuned perfectly anymore.

Just my opinion though.


Although I respect your opinion, however, I do disagree.
As long as the problem is consistent, oscillation will be consistent in most environments. Not sure what you mean by extreme but tuning a bow is not hard if anyone is willing to take the time to learn how. As Radar said, to get optimum penetration your broadhead should be flying straight upon contact in front of the rest of the arrow.
As far as temperature effecting performance, with today's materials it would be very minute and probably unnoticeable, except maybe in very extreme conditions.

Confidence in my equipment has always helped me. If you have that, it gives peace of mind.
 
pjridge said:
ratsnakeboogy said:
I think out to 25-30 yards it will not matter much if it's going where you aim everytime. Past that it can become very important. I know a lot of people that don't know they need to tune, they kill deer just fine. You can take tuning to an extreme, oscillations in an arrow rarely duplicate themselves exactly from one shot to another, unless your form is perfect. Temps will effect oscillations as well, so in September if you shoot at 7am your bow may be tuned, but if you shoot at 11:30 it may not be tuned perfectly anymore.

Just my opinion though.


Although I respect your opinion, however, I do disagree.
As long as the problem is consistent, oscillation will be consistent in most environments. Not sure what you mean by extreme but tuning a bow is not hard if anyone is willing to take the time to learn how. As Radar said, to get optimum penetration your broadhead should be flying straight upon contact in front of the rest of the arrow.
As far as temperature effecting performance, with today's materials it would be very minute and probably unnoticeable, except maybe in very extreme conditions.

Confidence in my equipment has always helped me. If you have that, it gives peace of mind.

Don't get me wrong, I tune my bows and it is easy if you learn how. I just don't think a bow that puts an arrow reasonably straight into a target at 25-30 yards is at that much of a disadvantage to a "tuned" bow. What I mean by EXTREME is someone who thinks they can make an arrow fly perfectly straight, no such thing. They become almost obsessed with it(moderation in everything is good). If you look at an arrow in slow motion at 40 yards even shot by a world class archer oscillation(wobble) is still happening.

As for temperature, with carbon shafts there is less effect, but a 25 degree difference still changes shaft flex and oscillation patterns, not to a huge degree but the difference is there. As oscillation from shaft to shaft is different, even in the best shafts.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: there is no such thing as an arrow that flys perfectly straight. With force that is applied to it in a fraction of a second they look like spaghetti noodles far down range. Carbon recovers quicker, but still flexes far past the front of the bow. I agree that this is almost unnoticable, but a bow that has not been "tuned" but still puts the arrow in the target rasonably straight at 25-35 yards will still stack deer up just as well as the bow that is "super-tuned"

I think sometimes we split hairs a bit in regards to tuning with all the new technology, afterall a native american will an Osage orange stick a piece of sinu(spelling?) and amazing woods skills would still put us all to shame in the pursuit of whitetails. I wonder what he says when someone asks how much time he spent tuning his bow? :confused:
 
ratsnakeboogy said:
pjridge said:
ratsnakeboogy said:
I think out to 25-30 yards it will not matter much if it's going where you aim everytime. Past that it can become very important. I know a lot of people that don't know they need to tune, they kill deer just fine. You can take tuning to an extreme, oscillations in an arrow rarely duplicate themselves exactly from one shot to another, unless your form is perfect. Temps will effect oscillations as well, so in September if you shoot at 7am your bow may be tuned, but if you shoot at 11:30 it may not be tuned perfectly anymore.

Just my opinion though.


Although I respect your opinion, however, I do disagree.
As long as the problem is consistent, oscillation will be consistent in most environments. Not sure what you mean by extreme but tuning a bow is not hard if anyone is willing to take the time to learn how. As Radar said, to get optimum penetration your broadhead should be flying straight upon contact in front of the rest of the arrow.
As far as temperature effecting performance, with today's materials it would be very minute and probably unnoticeable, except maybe in very extreme conditions.

Confidence in my equipment has always helped me. If you have that, it gives peace of mind.

Don't get me wrong, I tune my bows and it is easy if you learn how. I just don't think a bow that puts an arrow reasonably straight into a target at 25-30 yards is at that much of a disadvantage to a "tuned" bow. What I mean by EXTREME is someone who thinks they can make an arrow fly perfectly straight, no such thing. They become almost obsessed with it(moderation in everything is good). If you look at an arrow in slow motion at 40 yards even shot by a world class archer oscillation(wobble) is still happening.

As for temperature, with carbon shafts there is less effect, but a 25 degree difference still changes shaft flex and oscillation patterns, not to a huge degree but the difference is there. As oscillation from shaft to shaft is different, even in the best shafts.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: there is no such thing as an arrow that flys perfectly straight. With force that is applied to it in a fraction of a second they look like spaghetti noodles far down range. Carbon recovers quicker, but still flexes far past the front of the bow. I agree that this is almost unnoticable, but a bow that has not been "tuned" but still puts the arrow in the target rasonably straight at 25-35 yards will still stack deer up just as well as the bow that is "super-tuned"

I think sometimes we split hairs a bit in regards to tuning with all the new technology, afterall a native american will an Osage orange stick a piece of sinu(spelling?) and amazing woods skills would still put us all to shame in the pursuit of whitetails. I wonder what he says when someone asks how much time he spent tuning his bow? :confused:

you owe it to the animal to have your equipment performing as efficiently as possible.
 
stik said:
ratsnakeboogy said:
pjridge said:
ratsnakeboogy said:
I think out to 25-30 yards it will not matter much if it's going where you aim everytime. Past that it can become very important. I know a lot of people that don't know they need to tune, they kill deer just fine. You can take tuning to an extreme, oscillations in an arrow rarely duplicate themselves exactly from one shot to another, unless your form is perfect. Temps will effect oscillations as well, so in September if you shoot at 7am your bow may be tuned, but if you shoot at 11:30 it may not be tuned perfectly anymore.

Just my opinion though.


Although I respect your opinion, however, I do disagree.
As long as the problem is consistent, oscillation will be consistent in most environments. Not sure what you mean by extreme but tuning a bow is not hard if anyone is willing to take the time to learn how. As Radar said, to get optimum penetration your broadhead should be flying straight upon contact in front of the rest of the arrow.
As far as temperature effecting performance, with today's materials it would be very minute and probably unnoticeable, except maybe in very extreme conditions.

Confidence in my equipment has always helped me. If you have that, it gives peace of mind.

Don't get me wrong, I tune my bows and it is easy if you learn how. I just don't think a bow that puts an arrow reasonably straight into a target at 25-30 yards is at that much of a disadvantage to a "tuned" bow. What I mean by EXTREME is someone who thinks they can make an arrow fly perfectly straight, no such thing. They become almost obsessed with it(moderation in everything is good). If you look at an arrow in slow motion at 40 yards even shot by a world class archer oscillation(wobble) is still happening.

As for temperature, with carbon shafts there is less effect, but a 25 degree difference still changes shaft flex and oscillation patterns, not to a huge degree but the difference is there. As oscillation from shaft to shaft is different, even in the best shafts.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: there is no such thing as an arrow that flys perfectly straight. With force that is applied to it in a fraction of a second they look like spaghetti noodles far down range. Carbon recovers quicker, but still flexes far past the front of the bow. I agree that this is almost unnoticable, but a bow that has not been "tuned" but still puts the arrow in the target rasonably straight at 25-35 yards will still stack deer up just as well as the bow that is "super-tuned"

I think sometimes we split hairs a bit in regards to tuning with all the new technology, afterall a native american will an Osage orange stick a piece of sinu(spelling?) and amazing woods skills would still put us all to shame in the pursuit of whitetails. I wonder what he says when someone asks how much time he spent tuning his bow? :confused:

you owe it to the animal to have your equipment performing as efficiently as possible.

I agree, can't argue that point. I'll just let this die out, I'm talking physics and somehow I evoked emotion. Sorry if anyone was offended, it's just my opinion.
 
ratsnake, you are confusing archers paradox with a tuning issue. Yes, the arrow will flex and oscilate, but that is not from a lack of tuning. The paradox will occur on the axis of the arrow shaft. Poor tuning is the shifting of the axis of the arrow from the mean.
If you could walk and arrow along the flight path and continue to flex the arrow in ever decreasing amounts but not deviate from the straight line of the flight path, that is archers paradox. If you flex the arrow along the path while wagging the arrow side to side or up and down that is tune.
 
Gotcha Hoss, thanks for the info. I don't think I have it confused, I'm aware of the paradox. I was just saying at 25-30 yards if your arrow is hitting target reasonably straight consistantly I don't think that archer is at a significant disadvantage when putting an arrow through a deer. You would have to take into consideration draw length, draw weight etc., but probably dead deer either way.

I think a lot of what I was trying to get across was lost in translation.

Thanks for the technical term for it in any account.

Hoss is a better word smith than I. :)
 
I wonder what he says when someone asks how much time he spent tuning his bow?

rattlesnake we would probably all be suprised. Their life depended on it..
 
pjridge said:
I wonder what he says when someone asks how much time he spent tuning his bow?

rattlesnake we would probably all be suprised. Their life depended on it..

Geez guys, I give ok :grin:?

I was just playing devils advocate, I should have known better.

This is a great campfire, with very knowledgable and PASSIONATE people. I enjoy it here very much.

Don't release the hounds! :grin:
 
I agree with Hoss , however the amount of paradox will vary from the spine of the arrow .
A fletched arrow recovers very quickly if flying straight and is properly spined for that bow . If the bow is not tuned , the point will be off to one side and the tail end will be to the other.
This is what causes some fixed blade heads to wind plane , because the point is steering the rear of the arrow .
With a properly tuned bow , the fletching will control the arrow.
 
ratsnakeboogy said:
pjridge said:
I wonder what he says when someone asks how much time he spent tuning his bow?

rattlesnake we would probably all be suprised. Their life depended on it..

Geez guys, I give ok :grin:?

I was just playing devils advocate, I should have known better.

This is a great campfire, with very knowledgable and PASSIONATE people. I enjoy it here very much.

Don't release the hounds! :grin:


LOL! Sometimes the intention of a post is misinterpreted. I'm as guilty as anyone. I'm not trying to yank chains by any means, just giving my 2 cents because I enjoy these kinds of discussions. I enjoy everyones input. Not debates, discussions..

Heck, if I wanted turmoil i'd go to AT and start a Omen vs. Monster thread. LOL...
 
Hoss said:
ratsnake, you are confusing archers paradox with a tuning issue. Yes, the arrow will flex and oscilate, but that is not from a lack of tuning. The paradox will occur on the axis of the arrow shaft. Poor tuning is the shifting of the axis of the arrow from the mean.
If you could walk and arrow along the flight path and continue to flex the arrow in ever decreasing amounts but not deviate from the straight line of the flight path, that is archers paradox. If you flex the arrow along the path while wagging the arrow side to side or up and down that is tune.

Hoss, You amaze me. Good post. :cool:
 
I have spent countless hours sighting in and paper tuning different arrows, which is the key imo to true tuning. tune the bow to the arrows and not the draw weight. I finally achieved what I was looking for last week. Tuning to me equals both bare shaft and fletched tuning, broadhead tuning and shooting from a treestand. It will drive you crazy for a while but eventually it will happen. I just have to know without a doubt that when I release that arrow, from a treestand, that it will hit its mark. I am sighted it out to 40yds from my treestand but will only take that shot if the conditions are right.
 
I used to spend hours paper tuning , chasing false readings on paper . Now I walk back tune and broadhead tune and the bow is still dead on . Todays equipment is so much easier to tune than in the earlier compound days . The original Bear Whitetail compound with the 4 wheels was a real "bear" to tune . :tired:
 
ratsnakeboogy said:
Oh, I'm RATsnake not RATTLEsnake. I prefer the more civilized serpent. :)


LMAO! Believe it or not, I just now realized my screw up on your name! Seriously! I meant no disrespect. When I typed that post I was going by memory and I guess R and Snake, well anyhow, I truly apologize.

Man I'm getting old....
 

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