Summary of the southern middle counties.

[Woodsman10]

https://www.tn.gov/assets/entities/twra ... t_2016.pdf

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[Woodsman10]

Not sure if it has been posted here, thought I'd share.

Summary of the summary. Chicken litter can cause blackhead, but still may or may not be the cause.
If you read it carefully, it says that they can overcome blackhead sometimes.
Only 8.3 percent of turkeys from a study group contracted blackhead. 0% from the control group. It didn't state whether or not the study litter went through a heat cycle. Looks as if it didn't since the study group still had some blackhead.

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[Woodsman10]

I still believe it has been underwhelming hatching and poult recruitment.

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[ZachMarkus]

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I still believe it has been underwhelming hatching and poult recruitment.

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I believe you're right.


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[muddyboots]

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I still believe it has been underwhelming hatching and poult recruitment.

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I believe you're right.


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I was sure this wasn't right a couple years ago but ours rebounded great this past year and looks good for this year so now I believe this is right.

 

[catman529]

Re: Summary of the southern middle counties.

the link doesn't work for me

Is it true the TWRA was looking into Bedford county birds because of the chicken houses around and the fact that the birds there are immune to whatever disease the chickens may transmit?

 

[callemquacktn]

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the link doesn't work for me

Is it true the TWRA was looking into Bedford county birds because of the chicken houses around and the fact that the birds there are immune to whatever disease the chickens may transmit?

Yes bedford county was picked for the location of the study UT is going to do on the impacts of turkey hunting.
They are going to put transmitters on 5 hens and 5 Jake's to track them. The cannon has already been set out. Just waiting on the flock to get right to release it.

 

[ZachMarkus]

Summary of the southern middle counties.

TWRA is trapping a few turkeys on our place and the farm next to ours and putting transmitters on them also. Lawrence county.


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[megalomaniac]

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Doesn't sound like much was accomplished from the study...

Lots of natural exposure to diseases, but unknown how much of an impact they actually have on the population.

Histomoniasis can be transmitted from chickenlitter to turkeys but unable to say whether it is actually transmitted in a realistic setting.

Perhaps the biologists will actually consider more seriously the real cause of the decline... poor poult recruitment (multifactorial) combined with an overharvest of remaining adults in the areas with poor recruitment.

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Re: Summary of the southern middle counties.

Doesn't sound like much was accomplished from the study...

Lots of natural exposure to diseases, but unknown how much of an impact they actually have on the population.

Histomoniasis can be transmitted from chickenlitter to turkeys but unable to say whether it is actually transmitted in a realistic setting.

Perhaps the biologists will actually consider more seriously the real cause of the decline... poor poult recruitment (multifactorial) combined with an overharvest of remaining adults in the areas with poor recruitment.

Interested one year?

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Re: Summary of the southern middle counties.

Doesn't sound like much was accomplished from the study...

Lots of natural exposure to diseases, but unknown how much of an impact they actually have on the population.

Histomoniasis can be transmitted from chickenlitter to turkeys but unable to say whether it is actually transmitted in a realistic setting.

Perhaps the biologists will actually consider more seriously the real cause of the decline... poor poult recruitment (multifactorial) combined with an overharvest of remaining adults in the areas with poor recruitment.

In one year?

 

[megalomaniac]

Re: Summary of the southern middle counties.

Poor enough recruitment... absolutely can happen in a single year. That's the crazy thing about population dynamics in turkeys... they can explode in a very short amount of time under perfect conditions, and decline just as rapidly.

Anyone see recent August brood survey data for the past few years? I haven't been able to locate it, and not sure if it is a good as it was back in the 80's and 90's when restoration efforts were in full swing.

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Re: Summary of the southern middle counties.

I personally witnessed our property, one year with 15+ adult males at the end of season, and the next spring we had 2 adult males

 

[ZachMarkus]

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I personally witnessed our property, one year with 15+ adult males at the end of season, and the next spring we had 2 adult males

Same here rockhound, Just a few miles from you. 1500 acres, 25-30 toms and a 150+ hens in 3 different good sized flocks. Next year, 1 or 2 toms in each flock and probably 25 hens total in all 3.


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[Woodsman10]

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I personally witnessed our property, one year with 15+ adult males at the end of season, and the next spring we had 2 adult males

Same here rockhound, Just a few miles from you. 1500 acres, 25-30 toms and a 150+ hens in 3 different good sized flocks. Next year, 1 or 2 toms in each flock and probably 25 hens total in all 3.


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Not disputing anything you all say, I'm in the same areas yall are. It has more to do.with hatch survival than anything. My best place, seemed to slowly regress rather than sudden. It's in Lincoln County. Although not part of twra research, I feel it's in trouble too. Giles through Wayne County same problems.

Anyway, just because you seemed to loose 15 gobblers over the course of the office season doesn't mean that they all just died out. Could they? Yes. But I would think they just moved off. Wild turkeys naturally wander around alot. Look at the huge harvest numbers to our North in Maury county. It's like now the turkeys just live there.

My thoughts is that they may have the best nesting grounds, so that the turkeys just naturally move up there.


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[FARMTOFIELD]

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I personally witnessed our property, one year with 15+ adult males at the end of season, and the next spring we had 2 adult males

Same here rockhound, Just a few miles from you. 1500 acres, 25-30 toms and a 150+ hens in 3 different good sized flocks. Next year, 1 or 2 toms in each flock and probably 25 hens total in all 3.


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Not disputing anything you all say, I'm in the same areas yall are. It has more to do.with hatch survival than anything. My best place, seemed to slowly regress rather than sudden. It's in Lincoln County. Although not part of twra research, I feel it's in trouble too. Giles through Wayne County same problems.

Anyway, just because you seemed to loose 15 gobblers over the course of the office season doesn't mean that they all just died out. Could they? Yes. But I would think they just moved off. Wild turkeys naturally wander around alot. Look at the huge harvest numbers to our North in Maury county. It's like now the turkeys just live there.

My thoughts is that they may have the best nesting grounds, so that the turkeys just naturally move up there.


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I highly doubt that a few hundred toms and several hundred hens from extreme southern Lawrence County decided they had to move and up and migrated 60 miles

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Re: Summary of the southern middle counties.

I personally witnessed our property, one year with 15+ adult males at the end of season, and the next spring we had 2 adult males

Same here rockhound, Just a few miles from you. 1500 acres, 25-30 toms and a 150+ hens in 3 different good sized flocks. Next year, 1 or 2 toms in each flock and probably 25 hens total in all 3.


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Not disputing anything you all say, I'm in the same areas yall are. It has more to do.with hatch survival than anything. My best place, seemed to slowly regress rather than sudden. It's in Lincoln County. Although not part of twra research, I feel it's in trouble too. Giles through Wayne County same problems.

Anyway, just because you seemed to loose 15 gobblers over the course of the office season doesn't mean that they all just died out. Could they? Yes. But I would think they just moved off. Wild turkeys naturally wander around alot. Look at the huge harvest numbers to our North in Maury county. It's like now the turkeys just live there.

My thoughts is that they may have the best nesting grounds, so that the turkeys just naturally move up there.


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I'm fully aware that they move around but there are no turkeys anywhere at all

 

[TheLBLman]

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I highly doubt that a few hundred toms and several hundred hens from extreme southern Lawrence County decided they had to move and up and migrated 60 miles

Not familiar with your area, Rockhound, but certainly agree.

I do think turkeys move greater linear distances seasonally than many hunters are thinking, like 3 to 6 miles. And Toms during the spring can be somewhat like a rutting buck, often showing up a mile or two away today from where he was yesterday. They may move more or less linear distance depending terrain, field sizes, and the natural barriers present or absent. But over 10 linear miles in Southern TN? Would like to hear the thoughts of others regarding that kind of distance.

 

[turkeyhunter]

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Im in southern wayne co. Right on the alabama state line. We went from awesome to awful in a hurry. And you name we have it when it comes to bad for turkeys. Number 1 there is a chicken house every 100 ft. Number 2 covered up in hoggs. Number 3 hundreds of acres of forest land being turned into crop land. Number 3 more hawks ,coons, bobcats, fox, coyotes than turkeys now. Number 4 , our county has as many out of state as in state hunters and we have alot of in state. Number 5 is overkill ,high limits with declineing birds since 07. So my theory on turkeys is the combo effect.

 

[callemquacktn]

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Here is some of what has been going on with the trapping in Bedford county so far.
Still have a few trapping days left.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... =502827508