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Bone Collector

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I was thinking the other day while I was hunting and a couple of topics came to mind that I thought I would like to discuss with folks on here. This is technically my 2nd season (third if you count the 3 times I went in 2009) and I am not a very proficient caller. I try to practice when I can, but life tends to get in the way.

First of all let me say this if you can call a bird in I have a lot of respect for you. I only have experience on Priest WMA and the birds are pretty quite and I actually saw one run from me once when I called to it (pretty discouraging).

As I was hunting I realized that my hunting pretty much consists of moving around trying to locate a bird then sneak up on it and shooting it. I sometimes get the feeling on here and in dealing with people who I run into that they kinda look down on that type of hunting. I did some research and found that turkey calls like the ones we use were first put into production circa 1857 and progressed into what we have today. In fact the slate and box calls were not invented until the early 1900's, which made me think �what did people do before calls? I realized that they must have done it the same way I did it. Just snuck up on the bird and shot it. I think a lot of people tend to think there is no skill in this method. While it may not be as �sporting� as calling one in I would have to disagree that there is no skill in sneaking up on an animal with some of the best eyesight in the woods.

What do ya�ll think?

The second subject that i have thought about often is why can�t you shoot a bird on roost? I know it�s against the law,so please refrain from that response, but in the afternoon when they go on roost, in my opinion you should be able to shoot one. It is usually still plenty day light when they go up and from the elevated vantage point they would actually be more likely to see you sneaking up to them and would have ample opportunity to fly away. If they are dumb enough to sit there, then IMO they get what they get. Remember I�m new to Turkey hunting so there may be something I don�t know about roosting birds that makes them vulnerable.

What do ya�ll think?

This topic may be touchier so if you are going to have trouble responding politely and not calling names, then just skip the second question.
 
Question #1 - sneaking up on one is tough so if that's your best way to kill them go for it IMO. It's legal so who's to say you shouldn't? Personally I like calling them in but have bushwacked more than one. The way I see it is they have the upper hand so when the opportunity presents itself I'll take it.

Question #2 - no sport in shooting one off the limb. That would be like shooting a dove off a limb. Again, just my $0.02 worth.
 
Subject #1 - In my opinion, if you don't learn to call you are missing out on one of the greatest thrills in the outdoors. When you call and he gobbles back at you and you know he is answering you...there's nothing like it. You also gain experience with each bird and learn what works and what doesn't.

Subject #2 - x2 with Gravey
 
Gravey said:
Question #2 - no sport in shooting one off the limb. That would be like shooting a dove off a limb. Again, just my $0.02 worth.

not a fair comparison as doves are shot on the wing and turkeys are normally not. i see no problem with shooting them out of a tree.
 
stik said:
Gravey said:
Question #2 - no sport in shooting one off the limb. That would be like shooting a dove off a limb. Again, just my $0.02 worth.

not a fair comparison as doves are shot on the wing and turkeys are normally not. i see no problem with shooting them out of a tree.
Neither are normally shot out of a tree either but if you want to bust one off a limb go for it. To me it's like shooting fish in a barrel and I won't do it.
 
#1 - IMO calling a turkey in is way easier than sneaking up on them. Calling is 10 per cent and woodsmanship is 90 per cent of a successful turkey hunter.

#2 - Thats a personal decision. Dont know what i would do.
 
#1 i say if you can stalk a turkey and shoot it that takes as much or more skill most times than calling one in.i have crawled up on a lot of turkey and some of those were as much fun as calling one in.i still like calling them in more though.

#2 If you can sneak in on a gobbler after daylight that is still on the roost that takes a lot of skill and luck too.Anyone who says thats not a challenge is crazy imo.
 
Calling is overrated, in my opinion. I've hunted turkeys since the mid seventys here in west Tn., and we had very few back then. I can use all types of calls, and have all types, but woodmanship is more important. To really take turkeys on a regular basis, you have to know how they live, what they are doing at different parts of the season, as well as why. a basic cluck will call MANY turkeys. Calling is important, but knowing how to call, when to call, when not to call, these are whats important. Now, I'll say this,I'm not ashamed to get up and move on a bird, or get in front of him. He's a lot easier to call if you are in front of him. As far as shooting one off the roast, not any sport. If he's gobblin while its still pre dawn, anyone can walk up under him. Now if its already daylite, then its a different story. The tradition of turkey hunting is really about calling the bird up to you, making him go against nature. Learn the basic yelp and cluck, the fancy stuff will come. Dont give up, the best teacher is experience.Its also a really fun classroom.
 
Gravey said:
Question #2 - no sport in shooting one off the limb. That would be like shooting a dove off a limb. Again, just my $0.02 worth.

I have no experience yet shooting birds on the wing but I will likely go for some doves this year when season opens. but personally I wouldn't have much of a problem walking around shooting them off the limb when all I want is meat. If I want meat and only meat, why go to a dove field for the sport of shooting them out of the air? I can do that as well, but if it is legal to shoot a dove out of a tree then I will do it.
 
I have started to call more than i used to, but like you said Poser i usually i find the birds in a field and can sneak up to them, because of the thick cover around i can sneak up to within 20-30 yds. Then all i have to do is make the shot. Being i know the land well and usually have an idea where i will see birds i usually can find them.

Again i have started calling a bit more, but i have yet to get a response and the word in the woods talking to others is they have been quite on priest this year. I think i would be more akin to hunt with deeks and calling on private land, but on priest it has been my experience they are not too talkative so most of the time it is better to just listen and go where you know they have been in the past.

As for the limb shooting Tick i was talking about a scenario where it is daylight. I know you can walk right under them pre dawn, but once the sun is up or if they just went on roost, and it is still daylight i don't see the problem, but it is illegal.

The reason i put this topic up is i often think about the way people used to do things and I doubt if our forefathers cared whether a bird was on the ground or not. In addition, i feel that a lot of game laws despite the guise that they are made with herd control and health in mind, i often feel that "sport" is the basis for most game laws, which seems is being confirmed by some of the answers here.
 
people way back when didnt need production calls per say as they learned to call them by mouth or by using wing bones and other nature objects. In addition i am sure they killed them by stalking on most occasions however the idea back then was not for sport but for food so it is a tough comparison in that regard. i understand that a lot including me eat what you kill but it is not the same as when what you kill is ALL you eat.

#2 no comment, i personally wont do it but to each his own.
 
Stalking a turkey is as hard or harder than calling one in. They both take skill and stealth, but are totally different. I have done both and respect both methods.

I too have noticed that a few hard core turkey hunters don't seem to think it is "real hunting" unless you call a bird to you, but I don't see it that way. Any legal way to harvest a turkey is a good way.

I agree, there is nothing any more thrilling than talking to a big strutting gobbler and having him come into range. But it is pretty thrilling to put the ol' Mohegan Belly Crawl on one and kill him too. Both have their place, in my opinion.
 
#1 Some turkeys are evil and seem unkillable, running dead away from the softest purr....thats when i'll stalk one if given the chance

#2 Won't do it
 
Yeah, can't see sneaking up on one and shooting it out of a tree. Kinda like shooting a squirel out of one. I'd rather throw a rock at it and get it out of the tree and them hit'em.
 
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