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Need to ensure no other fan bases get their feelings hurt, so if one posts on this thread, then I should be covered because it wasn't intended for them. Nor are any comments needed from them :D !

Butch gets slapped around pretty good, and there really isn't any arguing with anything he says!


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After UT fired Dooley, Cowherd said that UT would not be able to hire a marquee coach because it wasn't a premier program. He said there were 5 programs in the Pac 12 alone that were destination jobs over UT. USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon and Washington.
 
LOL. Cowherd is a hack. Butch has certainly gone further in his career than Cowherd has in his.

Sort of laughable watching Vol "fans" bash their coach for caring enough about his team to show a little emotion after a big victory.
 
When I saw it was Cowherd, I immediately got defensive and expected to be able to brush his commentary aside, but that wasn't the case. Butch's response in that game was odd. Just as his calling the late timeout against Florida in what appeared as a "savor" the moment deal. I think the pressure of the job is too much for him, and his insecurity is what prevents him from making the changes that need to be done to improve the program.

He has done great things while there, but this was the year. We won't have to worry about off-season hype any more.

At least, if he is released next year, then the program will be a little better stocked for Gruden to take over :D !
 
I continue to be on the fence about Jones. This should have been the year to see if he had IT with the horses he had going into the year. However, when you have the injuries that they dealt with, especially on the defensive line, it is impossible to truly judge his coaching. This year became a big, fat Incomplete in the grading category. I think if you had asked most of the UT fans not wearing the orange tinted glasses before the season on where the Vols would be won/loss wise in facing the #1 hardest schedule in the country minus Maybin, Sutton, Kirkland, Tuttle, McKenzie, Sapp, Obrien, etc, etc, I suspect most would have been happy with the 9 wins they ended up with. It is frustrating because it could have been a special season without the rash of injuries.

Sorry, but I have no problem with the emotion at the end of that game. I do hope he gets some pr guru help before next years as his press conferences are like fingernails on a chalkboard to me at this point.

But, as an alum, I am appreciative for some of the other things he has done. He has changed the culture from some of the thuggery that plagued UT from the end of the Fulmer regime until he took over. His kids haven't been perfect, but it is night and day on what it was before he took over. The improvements he has made in the classroom and off the field are notable. I know that for some "fans" the only thing that matters are the wins, but for someone that actually went to school there, the other is important as well. It is not more important, but it is not to be dismissed, either. Hopefully, he can continue with the improvements on the football side as well. If not, we will be back to one of the UT "fans" favorite off season pastimes with another coaching search in the next couple of years.
 
scn":1t1ei86f said:
I continue to be on the fence about Jones. This should have been the year to see if he had IT with the horses he had going into the year. However, when you have the injuries that they dealt with, especially on the defensive line, it is impossible to truly judge his coaching. This year became a big, fat Incomplete in the grading category. I think if you had asked most of the UT fans not wearing the orange tinted glasses before the season on where the Vols would be won/loss wise in facing the #1 hardest schedule in the country minus Maybin, Sutton, Kirkland, Tuttle, McKenzie, Sapp, Obrien, etc, etc, I suspect most would have been happy with the 9 wins they ended up with. It is frustrating because it could have been a special season without the rash of injuries.

Sorry, but I have no problem with the emotion at the end of that game. I do hope he gets some pr guru help before next years as his press conferences are like fingernails on a chalkboard to me at this point.

But, as an alum, I am appreciative for some of the other things he has done. He has changed the culture from some of the thuggery that plagued UT from the end of the Fulmer regime until he took over. His kids haven't been perfect, but it is night and day on what it was before he took over. The improvements he has made in the classroom and off the field are notable. I know that for some "fans" the only thing that matters are the wins, but for someone that actually went to school there, the other is important as well. It is not more important, but it is not to be dismissed, either. Hopefully, he can continue with the improvements on the football side as well. If not, we will be back to one of the UT "fans" favorite off season pastimes with another coaching search in the next couple of years.

I agree with this. Incomplete. In no way should he be on "hot seat" because of a 9 win season this year considering how it played out. if he follows up with only a 6-7 win season next year, then the heat should be cranked up. But other aspects like scn mention should not be completely overlooked.
 
I think most fans would have given him a pass, had it not been for the SC and Vandy games, and then come back with the performance they did in the bowl game. I don't think we got that many injured players back to make that much difference.
 
PalsPal":2iqvw0uy said:
I think most fans would have given him a pass, had it not been for the SC and Vandy games, and then come back with the performance they did in the bowl game. I don't think we got that many injured players back to make that much difference.

Sutton and Kirkland both played against Vandy, but they were at about 75% for the game as opposed to being healthy for Nebraska. You saw the difference in the defense that they made playing healthy. UT was a much healthier team for the bowl, and it showed in the way they played.

Had UT been anywhere close to full strength, the losses against SC and Vandy would have been terrible. Unfortunately, they were down enough key personnel that the playing field was pretty level between the teams, and UT laid a couple of eggs. It was pretty apparent that the Hurd mess came to a head in the SC game. I fault Jones more for that loss than Vandy because he had a bye week to deal with the Hurd drama and failed to do so. Bad loss.
 
scn":o7ny4vdv said:
I continue to be on the fence about Jones. This should have been the year to see if he had IT with the horses he had going into the year. However, when you have the injuries that they dealt with, especially on the defensive line, it is impossible to truly judge his coaching. This year became a big, fat Incomplete in the grading category. I think if you had asked most of the UT fans not wearing the orange tinted glasses before the season on where the Vols would be won/loss wise in facing the #1 hardest schedule in the country minus Maybin, Sutton, Kirkland, Tuttle, McKenzie, Sapp, Obrien, etc, etc, I suspect most would have been happy with the 9 wins they ended up with. It is frustrating because it could have been a special season without the rash of injuries.

Sorry, but I have no problem with the emotion at the end of that game. I do hope he gets some pr guru help before next years as his press conferences are like fingernails on a chalkboard to me at this point.

But, as an alum, I am appreciative for some of the other things he has done. He has changed the culture from some of the thuggery that plagued UT from the end of the Fulmer regime until he took over. His kids haven't been perfect, but it is night and day on what it was before he took over. The improvements he has made in the classroom and off the field are notable. I know that for some "fans" the only thing that matters are the wins, but for someone that actually went to school there, the other is important as well. It is not more important, but it is not to be dismissed, either. Hopefully, he can continue with the improvements on the football side as well. If not, we will be back to one of the UT "fans" favorite off season pastimes with another coaching search in the next couple of years.

It has been nice to not turn on the news and see players headlining for the wrong reasons. A couple years ago he was starting 18 freshmen. They played well. Expectations were up for the next couple years. But it seems like there has been a lack of something over the last couple seasons. The recruiting classes have been rated pretty high. So why the big fall off of ability/talent when a player gets hurt. It brings back memories of a Fulmer coached team. Where a player earned his playing time by waiting till the upperclassmen left or got hurt. Then it was...Well so and so is out so we are pretty well screwed on D or O.
Is there a lack in coaching at the second level? The position coaching? A defense coach comes up with the plan for the week. But position coaches should be teaching technique an incorporating the players into the game plan. Why is there such an overall let down when a single position loses a starter?
If that is the case. It does fall back on Jones for his staffing. That was part of my point in another thread about Kif and his guys leaving before the championship. It was said they wont be missed. Yeah right.
 
I think back ups played decent when guys first started getting hurt. Its when the backups and their backups started getting hurt is when it went to hell. 3rd and 4th string guys with little to no game experience playing and some of them playing out of position. When you get past the twos, the rest arent getting the same quality of reps in practice as the 1st and 2nd team.
 
TeamMainStreet":ltojgznl said:
I think back ups played decent when guys first started getting hurt. Its when the backups and their backups started getting hurt is when it went to hell. 3rd and 4th string guys with little to no game experience playing and some of them playing out of position. When you get past the twos, the rest arent getting the same quality of reps in practice as the 1st and 2nd team.
And they were backups playing out of position.
 
PalsPal":3mstgdah said:
Need to ensure no other fan bases get their feelings hurt, so if one posts on this thread, then I should be covered because it wasn't intended for them. Nor are any comments needed from them :D !

Butch gets slapped around pretty good, and there really isn't any arguing with anything he says!

*App State..It took falling on a fumble in OT to save the game.

*Georgia. Took a miracle with no time on the clock after a DB got absolutely burned for a Georgia TD.

*Western KY and UT Chatt played Bama better than UT did.

*South Carolina... No excuse for that

*Vandy limited UT to 3 pts in 2nd half. The better HC was on the Vandy sideline. Vandy..

*When the injuries first started happening, I thought it was bad luck. Then they continued to pile up. Butch let a good S&C coach get away... That many injuries is not all bad luck.

*'Never heard us talking about winning the East.' 'Champions of life.'

A poster from another site lays Jones' SEC record out very clearly;

2-2 vs Vandy

1-3 vs Florida

2-2 vs Georgia

0-4 vs Bama

0-4 vs rest of West division

14-18 SEC record

Dropped in recruiting rankings

Not even in top 5 recruiting in the SEC



I'm not a Cowherd fan, but he summed up Butch very well.
 
I have never seen a team play so bad vs. Ga. and first half vs. Fl. and the head coach celebrate like he is a fan. I dont like Collin or his show but he is on point with this. I was at game one this year and it will take butch a long time to win me back. I will pull for the vols, but no way i invest time and money in them.
 
At Tennessee you don't lose to Vandy and SC period. Doesn't matter how many players you have out, especially considering your recruiting classes are significantly higher than most everyone in the East. That's the most disappointing part to me, the team played so uninspired down the stretch with all of their goals still within reach.


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turkeyhunter":2ctfdivl said:
I have never seen a team play so bad vs. Ga. and first half vs. Fl. and the head coach celebrate like he is a fan.

This. Nothing wrong with some celebration and enjoying a win on the sideline. A grown man in Butch's position shouldn't act like a 10 yr old girl that just won backstage passes to meet Keith Urban.
 
farmin68":2pmvr8rk said:
turkeyhunter":2pmvr8rk said:
I have never seen a team play so bad vs. Ga. and first half vs. Fl. and the head coach celebrate like he is a fan.

This. Nothing wrong with some celebration and enjoying a win on the sideline. A grown man in Butch's position shouldn't act like a 10 yr old girl that just won backstage passes to meet Keith Urban.
So you guys weren't around for the 2005 Fulmer coached team?
That team lost to Vanderbilt
And a 7-5 SC team.
 

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