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Tennessee Lead":1ooaaip0 said:
^^^^ Everyone ain't interested in a 2 bird limit.
No need in it here. The sky ain't falling. Turkeys are thick as fleas on a dog. Not interested in 2 and done.
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You'll change your tune in a few years when your turkey numbers dwindle like ours have. Better to be pro-active than re-active, something TWRA seems to ignore.
 
I think it's funny East Tennessee doesn't have the population to be able to kill 4 deer a day. So hearing the crying over the state limits now by the middle and west folks when we (in the east) have a abundance of em here puts a smile on my face.
Some of you sound like that little kid on the playground. "Well he has one. Why can't I have one too"?
 
TheLBLman":w0whgns7 said:
Setterman":w0whgns7 said:
Decoys are a crutch and they allow lesser skilled hunters to have great success when these same hunters would fail without them. Thus removing birds from the flock which lowers the numbers of birds carrying over each year. there's no way to deny this and there's zero defense as well. Be my guest if you can :)
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I'd like to be your guest, then. :tu:
I will agree with you that decoys can be a "crutch" and allow lesser skilled hunters to have killing success at times they otherwise wouldn't. But we must also acknowledge the fact that decoys are often a liability, for hunters of all skill levels.

I will agree with you that removing birds from the flock, no matter how, the end result is same.

Where you do the most of your hunting and observations may have been very different than mine, so I'm not going to attack you for your beliefs. Just saying I'm seeing some of your decoy issue a little different.

I see a lot of accomplished turkey hunters, this would include you, almost every year limiting out on turkeys in TN, with our current 4-bird limit. Meanwhile, those lowly skilled hunters using decoys appear to be averaging far fewer birds per hunter, and by my count, not even averaging a single bird a year. Yet it would be unheard of for me and you to not kill multiple birds every year.

Just saying I believe we could remove fewer birds from the flock, if more hunters like me and you were willing to have a lower bag limit, and not be so upset about those using decoys. I believe many of them will stop using decoys on their own, should they continue to turkey hunt over time. Others, unlike me and you, are mainly hunting small tracts where there is little opportunity to engage in the more "traditional" style of turkey hunting you and I enjoy most.

Currently, I just try to make it work to my advantage when I'm hunting in areas where other hunters are believed to be using decoys. One positive (for me), is I can determine their location, and they're not so directly competing with my preferred style of turkey hunting. This can be particularly true on public land when you observe a truck parked near where you were parking, then see their "tent" out in a field where they're walking around setting out their decoys (never realizing the birds are watching them, maybe hearing them). They can just have that spot, as I move on to greener pastures.
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I'm good with a 2 bird limit and raised mortal hell when they went to four. If they want to leave it at 4 then no jakes, and no plastic turkeys/fanning allowed.

The 4 bird limit and fall season increase haven't done anything to stabilize the population. Sure they'd be fine with great hatches but with bad hatches it was idiotic.

Decoys and fanning have no place in turkey hunting. I believe that and will go to my grave with that opinion, it allows any rube with a pulse to stick one in the ground, sit back, and shoot a turkey. Without that crutch these same hunters wouldn't have a chance. Success shouldn't be automatic it should be earned
 
Poleaxe":18st2rma said:
I think it's funny East Tennessee doesn't have the population to be able to kill 4 deer a day. So hearing the crying over the state limits now by the middle and west folks when we (in the east) have a abundance of em here puts a smile on my face.
Some of you sound like that little kid on the playground. "Well he has one. Why can't I have one too"?
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Not really crying
My point would be to make it better hunting
if we had a shorter season and a 2 bird limit
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I think its stupid for our State to have such liberal limits
and long seasons

When I first started deer hunting here the limit was 16 bucks

and now the limits on turkeys have been 4 for a while and TWRA has been trying to get our kill numbers to 40,000 spring harvest for
years now


if it cant happen with a 4 bird limit its not going to happen

ITs all about the money to lure out of state hunters here
 
Poleaxe":36et1myn said:
Looks like yal gonna have to suck it up and take the short stick for now while we gobbling away over here.
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Sounds like I am headed east next season
to see if I can get in on all those gobbling birds
 
letsgohunting":1cyp1jbj said:
"Simply do away with fall turkey hunting, and reduce the spring gobbler limit.
I would prefer a simple 2-bird limit, and don't care one way or the other whether jakes remain legal."



BINGO!!!
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Agreed. I dare say that a group of guys ambushing a flock of 20+ hens during the fall has more to do with populations than a guy that wants to sit in a blind and use a decoy to get his kid a bird.
 
Poleaxe":214tqqeh said:
I think it's funny East Tennessee doesn't have the population to be able to kill 4 deer a day. So hearing the crying over the state limits now by the middle and west folks when we (in the east) have a abundance of em here puts a smile on my face.
Some of you sound like that little kid on the playground. "Well he has one. Why can't I have one too"?
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I'm glad there are turkeys there, because I may have to hunt there before to much longer, but when a farm here held 20 longbeards at one time and in a single year there were no turkey no where around, you dang right I'm gonna complain. They are just now starting to listen to us and it's ridiculous. I don't think the limit should be lowered everywhere but in southern Lawrence County it should be closed season. Period.
 
Thing is you ain't gonna hear us East side complain if yal come over here. We know few can handle the steeper terrain without oxygen tanks.
 
Poleaxe":39frq3k2 said:
Thing is you ain't gonna hear us East side complain if yal come over here. We know few can handle the steeper terrain without oxygen tanks.
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Oh I'm in good shape
I can't wait to kill those east side birds :stir:
 
Beard Buster":3cpkhs5m said:
Poleaxe":3cpkhs5m said:
I think it's funny East Tennessee doesn't have the population to be able to kill 4 deer a day. So hearing the crying over the state limits now by the middle and west folks when we (in the east) have a abundance of em here puts a smile on my face.
Some of you sound like that little kid on the playground. "Well he has one. Why can't I have one too"?
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Not really crying
My point would be to make it better hunting
if we had a shorter season and a 2 bird limit
:mrgreen:
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How would 2 less turkeys and a shorter season make better hunting?
I guess if your happy going 2 times and packing it in makes you happy it would be better.
The hen killing needs to stop period. Regardless if it has a beard. I don't see why anyone would burn a tag on a bearded hen to begin with.
More hens equal more nests with a chance at having more turkey's for the future.
 
Poleaxe":19v63xdp said:
Thing is you ain't gonna hear us East side complain if yal come over here. We know few can handle the steeper terrain without oxygen tanks.
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You will never hear me complaining about yall coming here to deer hunt, heck I'd swap some private land hunts I'd somebody wanted to.
 
Rockhound":1t5hla61 said:
Poleaxe":1t5hla61 said:
Thing is you ain't gonna hear us East side complain if yal come over here. We know few can handle the steeper terrain without oxygen tanks.
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You will never hear me complaining about yall coming here to deer hunt, heck I'd swap some private land hunts I'd somebody wanted to.
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Deer for turkey that is, we don't have any turkeys
 
Why is it I dvr alot of the turkey hunting shows on TV and so many are hunting in Tennessee bragging about all the turkey's in this state yet so many are saying they have a drastic decline in numbers. I'm not educated on turkeys like I am deer. I will agree that the harvest in hens is a mistake. I will even listen and believe some might have the decline. Even cutting "A" bird from the spring harvest, but to say that outlawing decoys and fanning would be the solution to the problem is down right idiocy.
 
Poleaxe":3ocg3779 said:
Why is it I dvr alot of the turkey hunting shows on TV and so many are hunting in Tennessee bragging about all the turkey's in this state yet so many are saying they have a drastic decline in numbers. I'm not educated on turkeys like I am deer. I will agree that the harvest in hens is a mistake. I will even listen and believe some might have the decline. Even cutting "A" bird from the spring harvest, but to say that outlawing decoys and fanning would be the solution to the problem is down right idiocy.
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Setterman":2qql53yc said:
Bone Collector":2qql53yc said:
It looks like they proposed other changes besides the youth bag limit increase. It may not be what yo unwanted, but it appears they are listening some. For instance on the last comment period, i asked that raccoon season be opened year round and while they didn't go that far, they are proposing to open it in July.

They also are proposing to lower fall limits in 16 mid tn counties. some would be lowered from 6 to 3 and others from 3 to 1. not 100% of what most want, but a step in the right direction.

from the article:

In regard to wild turkey hunting, Agency recommendations included several changes to hunts on Tennessee's public lands. They also included lowering the bag limit for fall turkeys from six to three in 16 Middle Tennessee counties and from three to one in Lincoln and Lewis counties due to declining harvest in TWRA Region II. Several commissioners made additional recommendations. One would increase the bag limit for the Young Sportsman Turkey Hunt from one bird for the two-day hunt to one bird per day to match the statewide daily bag and provide additional youth opportunity. Another would open the raccoon season on private lands earlier, from July 1 at sunset until sunset the Friday before Thanksgiving (when the regular season opens) and allow one raccoon per party, per night. - See more at: https://www.tn.gov/twra/news/15654%23st ... O7GD8.dpuf
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I don't disagree, but until they limit jake killing and address the decoy, blind, fanning stuff nothing will improve
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Buzzard Breath":37morptu said:
I came across this blog today that gives the breakdown on a per county basis since 2006. It's pretty obvious that when I leave the house to turkey hunt, I really should be headed south instead of north. The counties south of me have an increasing turkeys harvest, while the northern counties show a pretty significant decline.

http://chasethemountain.com/ctm/turkey-harvest-data
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Great info and really telling
 
Tennessee Lead":ei9c3y2g said:
Beard Buster":ei9c3y2g said:
Poleaxe":ei9c3y2g said:
I think it's funny East Tennessee doesn't have the population to be able to kill 4 deer a day. So hearing the crying over the state limits now by the middle and west folks when we (in the east) have a abundance of em here puts a smile on my face.
Some of you sound like that little kid on the playground. "Well he has one. Why can't I have one too"?
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Not really crying
My point would be to make it better hunting
if we had a shorter season and a 2 bird limit
:mrgreen:
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How would 2 less turkeys and a shorter season make better hunting?
I guess if your happy going 2 times and packing it in makes you happy it would be better.
The hen killing needs to stop period. Regardless if it has a beard. I don't see why anyone would burn a tag on a bearded hen to begin with.
More hens equal more nests with a chance at having more turkey's for the future.
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You must not hunt public land
All you need to do is find a WMA opening week and take a look at all the out or state tags

Shorter season = less pressure than a month and a half
2turket limit = better public land opportunity because most hunters who have private land won't hunt public
And I will add
Start the season later which will ensure more hens get bread before the season
A lot of hens never get bread in an area with few gobblers
 

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