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PalsPal":oyc78h4w said:
Hey where was the rest of the vaunted OS team discipline?

#50 in penalties per game?

Why, lowly TN was #13 :D !

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo ... s-per-game

The link is very interesting in that it is surprising how different teams rank in terms of least or most penalized in comparison to season record, bowl accomplishments, etc. The comparative analysis that I posted and the total penalties ranking you posted at a minimum suggests how much more important O-line discipline is to the success of a football team. For example, how many times have we yelled at the TV when the false start penalty occurs on third and two or when the 30 yard run is nullified by a holding penalty? Yes, a defensive personal foul or pass interference penalty hurts and can cost a game, but those false starts and holding penalties are the death by a thousand cuts penalties. Iny my opinion, a disciplined O-line that is not penalized a lot is also a better run and pass blocking line. Penalties, blocking, and execution go hand in hand. Frankly, one of the main reasons Alabama is so much better than Tennessee and has been for over a decade, and for most of college football history, is because Tennessee's O-line can't measure up to 'Bama's. And that's a fact.

When looking at the OSU O-line peer teams included in the comparative analysis I posted (Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Oregon), and adding in some other good teams (i.e., teams that didn't have to win their final regular season game to get to 6-6 so they could play in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl or whatever it was called), such as Florida State, TCU, Baylor, and Michigan State, it is surprising how penalized those teams were compared to the least overall penalized teams. Of these good teams, Alabama was the least penalized at #30, then Georgia #38, and Ohio State as you pointed out at #50. I guess none of them can measure up to the all powerful Vols nor can Oregon #116, Auburn #103, Florida State #90, TCU # 89, and Michigan State #87. Maybe next season the Vols will rank higher than San Jose State.
 
OHVATN":22s92uig said:
The link is very interesting in that it is surprising how different teams rank in terms of least or most penalized in comparison to season record, bowl accomplishments, etc. The comparative analysis that I posted and the total penalties ranking you posted at a minimum suggests how much more important O-line discipline is to the success of a football team. For example, how many times have we yelled at the TV when the false start penalty occurs on third and two or when the 30 yard run is nullified by a holding penalty? Yes, a defensive personal foul or pass interference penalty hurts and can cost a game, but those false starts and holding penalties are the death by a thousand cuts penalties. Iny my opinion, a disciplined O-line that is not penalized a lot is also a better run and pass blocking line. Penalties, blocking, and execution go hand in hand. Frankly, one of the main reasons Alabama is so much better than Tennessee and has been for over a decade, and for most of college football history, is because Tennessee's O-line can't measure up to 'Bama's. And that's a fact.

When looking at the OSU O-line peer teams included in the comparative analysis I posted (Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Oregon), and adding in some other good teams (i.e., teams that didn't have to win their final regular season game to get to 6-6 so they could play in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl or whatever it was called), such as Florida State, TCU, Baylor, and Michigan State, it is surprising how penalized those teams were compared to the least overall penalized teams. Of these good teams, Alabama was the least penalized at #30, then Georgia #38, and Ohio State as you pointed out at #50. I guess none of them can measure up to the all powerful Vols nor can Oregon #116, Auburn #103, Florida State #90, TCU # 89, and Michigan State #87. Maybe next season the Vols will rank higher than San Jose State.

Sweet, I struck a nerve. BTW, TN didn't have hardly any false start or holding penalties. I'll wait impatiently while you go and try to disprove my post ;) !

Try again :stir: !
 
maybe tomorrow":6szwk55b said:
Maybe that is why our quarterbacks got killed all season.............. :bash:

If you ain't cheatin, you ain't winnin..... :?

:D That could be true also!

Of course, it was only Worley, as Dobbs escapability actually won some games.
 
PalsPal":3khm063q said:
OHVATN":3khm063q said:
The link is very interesting in that it is surprising how different teams rank in terms of least or most penalized in comparison to season record, bowl accomplishments, etc. The comparative analysis that I posted and the total penalties ranking you posted at a minimum suggests how much more important O-line discipline is to the success of a football team. For example, how many times have we yelled at the TV when the false start penalty occurs on third and two or when the 30 yard run is nullified by a holding penalty? Yes, a defensive personal foul or pass interference penalty hurts and can cost a game, but those false starts and holding penalties are the death by a thousand cuts penalties. Iny my opinion, a disciplined O-line that is not penalized a lot is also a better run and pass blocking line. Penalties, blocking, and execution go hand in hand. Frankly, one of the main reasons Alabama is so much better than Tennessee and has been for over a decade, and for most of college football history, is because Tennessee's O-line can't measure up to 'Bama's. And that's a fact.

When looking at the OSU O-line peer teams included in the comparative analysis I posted (Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Oregon), and adding in some other good teams (i.e., teams that didn't have to win their final regular season game to get to 6-6 so they could play in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl or whatever it was called), such as Florida State, TCU, Baylor, and Michigan State, it is surprising how penalized those teams were compared to the least overall penalized teams. Of these good teams, Alabama was the least penalized at #30, then Georgia #38, and Ohio State as you pointed out at #50. I guess none of them can measure up to the all powerful Vols nor can Oregon #116, Auburn #103, Florida State #90, TCU # 89, and Michigan State #87. Maybe next season the Vols will rank higher than San Jose State.

Sweet, I struck a nerve. BTW, TN didn't have hardly any false start or holding penalties. I'll wait impatiently while you go and try to disprove my post ;) !

Try again :stir: !

Good for UT, but they weren't among the best in college football in that category either. Those teams are in the comparative analysis that I posted - OSU, Oregon, 'Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and drum roll, New Mexico State.

You are digging a hole for yourself. The overall penalty ranking is almost diametrically opposed to the final rankings. Of the "best teams" I mentioned above (i.e., AP poll final top 10), I left off Baylor, Georgia Tech, and UCLA. In your penalty rankings, they come in at #128, #29, and #117 but along with all the other undisciplined teams in the penalty poll (except for Auburn), they also finished in the AP top 10. Only two teams in the penalty top 25 could be characterized as "good teams" (i.e., top 25 in the AP) - Wisconsin and Clemson. Trumpeting UT's final ranking in the penalty poll doesn't mean diddly squat and doesn't translate into them being a good team last season and they weren't, as proven by the AP final top 25. Trumpeting the Ohio State O-line's lack of penalties does translate into one of the (several) reasons they were the best of the best last season.
 
OHVATN":2lj5v3u1 said:
PalsPal":2lj5v3u1 said:
OHVATN":2lj5v3u1 said:
The link is very interesting in that it is surprising how different teams rank in terms of least or most penalized in comparison to season record, bowl accomplishments, etc. The comparative analysis that I posted and the total penalties ranking you posted at a minimum suggests how much more important O-line discipline is to the success of a football team. For example, how many times have we yelled at the TV when the false start penalty occurs on third and two or when the 30 yard run is nullified by a holding penalty? Yes, a defensive personal foul or pass interference penalty hurts and can cost a game, but those false starts and holding penalties are the death by a thousand cuts penalties. Iny my opinion, a disciplined O-line that is not penalized a lot is also a better run and pass blocking line. Penalties, blocking, and execution go hand in hand. Frankly, one of the main reasons Alabama is so much better than Tennessee and has been for over a decade, and for most of college football history, is because Tennessee's O-line can't measure up to 'Bama's. And that's a fact.

When looking at the OSU O-line peer teams included in the comparative analysis I posted (Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Oregon), and adding in some other good teams (i.e., teams that didn't have to win their final regular season game to get to 6-6 so they could play in the Poulan Weedeater Bowl or whatever it was called), such as Florida State, TCU, Baylor, and Michigan State, it is surprising how penalized those teams were compared to the least overall penalized teams. Of these good teams, Alabama was the least penalized at #30, then Georgia #38, and Ohio State as you pointed out at #50. I guess none of them can measure up to the all powerful Vols nor can Oregon #116, Auburn #103, Florida State #90, TCU # 89, and Michigan State #87. Maybe next season the Vols will rank higher than San Jose State.

Sweet, I struck a nerve. BTW, TN didn't have hardly any false start or holding penalties. I'll wait impatiently while you go and try to disprove my post ;) !

Try again :stir: !

Good for UT, but they weren't among the best in college football in that category either. Those teams are in the comparative analysis that I posted - OSU, Oregon, 'Bama, Georgia, Auburn, and drum roll, New Mexico State.

You are digging a hole for yourself. The overall penalty ranking is almost diametrically opposed to the final rankings. Of the "best teams" I mentioned above (i.e., AP poll final top 10), I left off Baylor, Georgia Tech, and UCLA. In your penalty rankings, they come in at #128, #29, and #117 but along with all the other undisciplined teams in the penalty poll (except for Auburn), they also finished in the AP top 10. Only two teams in the penalty top 25 could be characterized as "good teams" (i.e., top 25 in the AP) - Wisconsin and Clemson. Trumpeting UT's final ranking in the penalty poll doesn't mean diddly squat and doesn't translate into them being a good team last season and they weren't, as proven by the AP final top 25. Trumpeting the Ohio State O-line's lack of penalties does translate into one of the (several) reasons they were the best of the best last season.


So :D ?
 

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