Anybody actally seen or shot longbeard 20 ga?

[TheLBLman]

But we prolly don't need to try that, coweye and setterman would frown on us. :tu:

Oh, I don't think they would have a problem with whatever shells you prefer.
It's the "extra full" turkey chokes that really upset them.

See, they have refined their fanning techniques so well, that they believe all anyone should be using is an improved cylinder choke tube, as anything tighter makes a miss more likely at such close ranges.
The shells don't really matter at 15 yards or so, and I think Setterman is just using the same "upland" loads for both grouse and turkey.

And in all seriousness (bet even Setterman will agree) most of us would come home with just as many turkeys if we were simply using a factory modified choke tube and whatever shells. It's more about the Indian than the arrow.

 

[Andy S.]

It's more about the Indian than the arrow.

You hit the nail on the head!

 

[Southern Sportsman]

Well these guys are prolly shooting 3oz of tss in a 12ga so I doubt I could shoot a better pattern BUT I would bet I can kill a turkey every bit as far as they can...I will bet on that!!!':tu:

Well in the name of friendy wagers and experimentation, gauntlet thrown. We just need to buy 6 or 8 farm turkeys and tie them up at various ranges. Once you leave one standing, i'll see if I can clean him up. Looser pays for the farm turkeys and a case of beer.

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Well these guys are prolly shooting 3oz of tss in a 12ga so I doubt I could shoot a better pattern BUT I would bet I can kill a turkey every bit as far as they can...I will bet on that!!!':tu:

Well in the name of friendy wagers and experimentation, gauntlet thrown. We just need to buy 6 or 8 farm turkeys and tie them up at various ranges. Once you leave one standing, i'll see if I can clean him up. Looser pays for the farm turkeys and a case of beer.

Hell I'll buy the beer and clean the birds afterwards.

 

[Roost 1]

I'll also bet the turkeys last longer than the beer!!!
Sounds like a great ideal to me. Say when!!! :tu:

 

[whiskey]

When in the world did a 1000fps lead #4 stop killing turkeys? I like HTL, I shoot HTL in 12 and TSS in 20, but that's just to increase pattern densities, not because a big old #4 lead won't kill a bird.

Furthest shots I've seen kill a bird were with LB #4's and it was further than anyone should be shooting at a turkey. It was so far I was embarrassed to even witness such an act.

If y'all are going to have a bet, I bet Roost1 can drink a beer faster than anyone shooting HTL. [emoji23]


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[SEC]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I pay 4.00-5.00 dollars for a shotgun shell. Anybody have the excact time and date that lead quit working?

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

Listen fellas it doesn't matter what you shoot as long as it works for you. It doesn't matter what it cost, how far it shoots, it's all up to you. Period. I have several boxes of the Longbeards setting in the ammo cabidet now, but I shoot tss, and will ask long as I can afford it. Do I need it? Nope. But dang, last season I put over 3000 miles on my truck in around 20 days during season, I don't think another $40 worth of ammo is gonna hurt anything lol

 

[Andy S.]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I pay 4.00-5.00 dollars for a shotgun shell.

Point taken, but if you shoot the statewide limit of birds EVERY year in TN, $16-20 worth of TSS shells will be your least expense most likely. If you shoot lead at those 4 turkeys, you will have a whopping $10 of savings annually.

Anybody have the excact time and date that lead quit working?

I do if you shoot a 28 gauge or a .410.

 

[Roost 1]

It'll be a cold day in hell before I pay 4.00-5.00 dollars for a shotgun shell.

Point taken, but if you shoot the statewide limit of birds EVERY year in TN, $16-20 worth of TSS shells will be your least expense most likely. If you shoot lead at those 4 turkeys, you will have a whopping $10 of savings annually.

Anybody have the excact time and date that lead quit working?

I do if you shoot a 28 gauge or a .410.

Great point Andy... Funny how some people cant see the forest for the trees. I've always said the shells were the cheapest part of the trip.

 

[Andy S.]

I've always said the shells were the cheapest part of the trip.

Guaranteed!

 

[TheLBLman]

I've always said the shells were the cheapest part of the trip.

Guaranteed!

So very true.
As was pointed out above, for a limit of turkeys, we're talking an extra $10 to $40 a year added to our total costs of hunting.

I'm basically just looking at the HTL loads to provide me an extra margin of error (5 to 10 yards) in range estimation. For me, we're talking $10 to $15 a year in extra cost for a significant "peace of mind" benefit. Some saying they wouldn't pay this are instead spending much more than this just test firing lead loads?

Listen fellas it doesn't matter what you shoot as long as it works for you. It doesn't matter what it cost, how far it shoots, it's all up to you.

Exactly. Freedom of choice.

 

[Southern Sportsman]

I agree 100% with the to-each-his-own theory. We've all killed turkeys with lead, and there is no doubt that the LBs are good shells. But we still need somebody to find us 5 or 6 farm turkeys for the Inaugural TN Deer Turkey Shoot

 

[Roost 1]

I agree 100% with the to-each-his-own theory. We've all killed turkeys with lead, and there is no doubt that the LBs are good shells. But we still need somebody to find us 5 or 6 farm turkeys for the Inaugural TN Deer Turkey Shoot

Don't forget the beer.

 

[Southern Sportsman]

I agree 100% with the to-each-his-own theory. We've all killed turkeys with lead, and there is no doubt that the LBs are good shells. But we still need somebody to find us 5 or 6 farm turkeys for the Inaugural TN Deer Turkey Shoot

Don't forget the beer.

Rock said he was bringing the beer. :tu:

 

[FARMTOFIELD]

I agree 100% with the to-each-his-own theory. We've all killed turkeys with lead, and there is no doubt that the LBs are good shells. But we still need somebody to find us 5 or 6 farm turkeys for the Inaugural TN Deer Turkey Shoot

Don't forget the beer.

Rock said he was bringing the beer. :tu:

I got the beer, and the land, someone else can provide the birds

 

[deerkiller300wsm]

Academy in Knoxville has it on the shelf

 

[Mid-Tenn]

Finally got a chance to shoot them yesterday and was very pleased with how well they performed out of a Savage-Stevens 320 youth 20ga, 22" barrel with a Primos Tight-wad .570 choke. I shot five different shells, Kent Diamond #6, Federal #5, Winchester XX #5, Federal Heavy weight 2 3/4" #7 and Longbeard XR #5.

The XR's had the best pattern with the HTL #7's a very close second.

My only regret so far has been not ordering more than one box.

 

[Hunt 365]

. . . . . So, let's say I'll put the LB 4s against factory loaded HTL loads ... .

Ah ha :tu: backtracking a bit now ha?! :tu:

So is this here contest about penetration or pattern density?

Just ribbing you a bit, as I know those LB 4s must be working well for you.
But for no more shells than I shoot annually turkey hunting, even if that does cost me an extra $10 a year,
I'm happy just sticking with those Federal Heavyweights, whether in 12 ga or 20.

Now if Winchester would just come out with their "shot lok tech" using some HTL pellets, I'd be more excited about their shells.
A few years ago, until they quit making them, I loved Winchester's Extended Range HTL loads ---- they patterned more uniformly than anything else commercially available at the time.

I'm in the same boat, but the TSS intrigues me...

 

[TITANSFAN2104]

I saw a couple videos a week ago that the guy decided to stick to fed hvy #7 s they were better patterning as well as hit harder than the lbeardz