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DayDay said:
Not with any weapon all year long. According to the TN Hunting Guide, centerfire ammunition is not allowed during archery only and archery/muzzleloader only deer, elk, and bear seasons.
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You are correct. No hogs ir bear season in my area, but i believe if archery or muzzleloader is open they have to be taken with a rimfire or shotgun
 
redblood said:
You cant prove something that hasnt yet had the opportunity to happen, but i feel confident there would be wide spread abuse. And BTW, my comments are not genuinely mine, but actually borrowed from a wildlife officer that spoke at my schools CTE career day when one of the students asked why coyotes couldnt be hunted at night. He was a brilliant presenter who certainly opened my eyes up to the potential ramnifications of such a rule change. Makes me think TWRA has already assessed the risk.
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You can prove it if you look outside of Tennessee. I don't know any other states that joins us right off that doesn't have a night season for them. Im sure theres one or two but many of them have a night season for yotes. Do they have these "widespread abuse" problems?
 
TheLBLman said:
Trapping is the only effective way to significantly reduce coyote numbers.
Hunting them may be fun, but it doesn't reduce their numbers like trapping.
Not even close.
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No it doesn't but hunting is supposed to be fun. I don't hunt hogs at night because i think my circle traps are a less effective means. I do it because its fun and it helps a little, especially after trapping.

Some hunters want to have more fun. That should be encouranged not discouraged.
 
redblood said:
You cant prove something that hasnt yet had the opportunity to happen, but i feel confident there would be wide spread abuse. And BTW, my comments are not genuinely mine, but actually borrowed from a wildlife officer that spoke at my schools CTE career day when one of the students asked why coyotes couldnt be hunted at night. He was a brilliant presenter who certainly opened my eyes up to the potential ramnifications of such a rule change. Makes me think TWRA has already assessed the risk.
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Other words you don't know there would be anymore poaching than anytime. I trust my fellow hunters much more than you and some other do.
 
TheLBLman said:
Trapping is the only effective way to significantly reduce coyote numbers.
Hunting them may be fun, but it doesn't reduce their numbers like trapping.
Not even close.
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Trapping may be more effective than hunting them at night but some for different reasons can not trap them but could occasionally hunt them. Like me the lease I had was some way from home it be impossible to run traps every day like they should be but could go and hunt at night sometime.
 
TheLBLman said:
Trapping is the only effective way to significantly reduce coyote numbers.
Hunting them may be fun, but it doesn't reduce their numbers like trapping.
Not even close.
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I can guarantee without a dought that if a nuclear bomb were to wipe everything from the face of the earth the o ly thigs left would be coyotes and cockroaches
 
Last Saturday afternoon my son and myself were cleaning fish. I looked up and a yote was walking through my back yard. 40 yards from us. All I had was my 22 pocket pistol. I fired a couple of shots but of course didn't get close. I am glad my lab was inside at the time and Cheyenne wasn't there at the time.
 
BSK, what are your thoughts on the impact of the social hierarchy that shooting random coyotes may have?

I quit shooting them about 10 years ago and I see fewer than ever on our farm and fawn recruitment is strong the last few years.

I know it's anecdotal, but I used to kill multiple each year.
 
TX300mag said:
BSK, what are your thoughts on the impact of the social hierarchy that shooting random coyotes may have?

I quit shooting them about 10 years ago and I see fewer than ever on our farm and fawn recruitment is strong the last few years.

I know it's anecdotal, but I used to kill multiple each year.
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Some data strongly supports the idea that if a primary pair of coyotes are killed, the group breaks up and reproduction actually increases.

And when you look at the best GPS-collar data available, you realized what a no-win situation kill/trapping coyotes really is. Only about 50% of the coyotes you see in a given area are "resident" coyotes. The other half are drifters. Kill the drifters and you've done nothing to reduce the local population. Kill the residents and the drifters take over and become residents.

About the only data I've seen that suggests you can have an impact on the coyotes' predation is to hit them hard just before the birth cycle of the prey animal you are concerned with. In essence, hit coyotes hard in late spring and you can reduce their impact on fawn and turkey poult predation temporarily (that year). But the coyote population quickly bounces back. So you would have to hit the 'yotes hard EVERY spring.
 
TX300mag said:
BSK, what are your thoughts on the impact of the social hierarchy that shooting random coyotes may have?

I quit shooting them about 10 years ago and I see fewer than ever on our farm and fawn recruitment is strong the last few years.

I know it's anecdotal, but I used to kill multiple each year.
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It's like some people forget what extinction is…. Yes we can eliminate coyotes
 
BSK said:
Some data strongly supports the idea that if a primary pair of coyotes are killed, the group breaks up and reproduction actually increases.

And when you look at the best GPS-collar data available, you realized what a no-win situation kill/trapping coyotes really is. Only about 50% of the coyotes you see in a given area are "resident" coyotes. The other half are drifters. Kill the drifters and you've done nothing to reduce the local population. Kill the residents and the drifters take over and become residents.

About the only data I've seen that suggests you can have an impact on the coyotes' predation is to hit them hard just before the birth cycle of the prey animal you are concerned with. In essence, hit coyotes hard in late spring and you can reduce their impact on fawn and turkey poult predation temporarily (that year). But the coyote population quickly bounces back. So you would have to hit the 'yotes hard EVERY spring.
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That makes sense.
 
redblood said:
You cant prove something that hasnt yet had the opportunity to happen, but i feel confident there would be wide spread abuse. And BTW, my comments are not genuinely mine, but actually borrowed from a wildlife officer that spoke at my schools CTE career day when one of the students asked why coyotes couldnt be hunted at night. He was a brilliant presenter who certainly opened my eyes up to the potential ramnifications of such a rule change. Makes me think TWRA has already assessed the risk.
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Your absolutely correct, twra doesn't trust us to be able to do the right thing when pressured. Like the big buck at night thing. And that doesn't sit well with me.
 
PossumSlayer said:
It's like some people forget what extinction is…. Yes we can eliminate coyotes
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I have seen a wide-area 48-year concerted effort to eradicate coyotes - including shooting, trapping and poisoning - that failed. In fact, 2 years after the eradication was ended, the 'yote population was right back to where it had started 50 years earlier. Coyotes move too far too fast to eradicate them.
 

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