Radar
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DWM, I'm a big fan of G5 Strikers too. The main thing like 102 mentioned is to shoot what you have confidence in.
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I have always shot what I feel performs the best for me. I am not brand loyal to any brand. If I was I would never have tried something else. There are even 3 brands of bows in my house now. I have bow hunted for a long time and have seen a lot of products come and go. I do not push any brand but when ask I will tell my experiences good or bad. I am not trying to make anybody change what they are using. Sorry if it sounds that way.
Magnus heads will fly better than a lot of big name brands that some people swear by. I just did not get the killing performance I like. Maybe bad luck who knows. I will say that the deer my wife killed with them that did not leave a blood trail was a pass through and the arrow passed perfectly between 2 ribs on the entrance and exit both. It never touched bone. What are the chances of that happening.
As far as cost goes, yes they are cheap and have the best warranty. The thing is I believe in performance over cost to a point or a balance of the 2. When cost becomes my main concern then it is time to quit bowhunting. I spend far more on archery than on muzzleloader or rifle hunting. If those heads work for others by all means stay with them.
Magnus heads will fly better than a lot of big name brands that some people swear by. I just did not get the killing performance I like. Maybe bad luck who knows. I will say that the deer my wife killed with them that did not leave a blood trail was a pass through and the arrow passed perfectly between 2 ribs on the entrance and exit both. It never touched bone. What are the chances of that happening.
As far as cost goes, yes they are cheap and have the best warranty. The thing is I believe in performance over cost to a point or a balance of the 2. When cost becomes my main concern then it is time to quit bowhunting. I spend far more on archery than on muzzleloader or rifle hunting. If those heads work for others by all means stay with them.
DWM,
I wish I could say that cost is not a factor for me, but it is. I have 2 kids in College and my wife and I both work. I would never buy a cheap broadhead. The animal I pursue is just too important. But with Magnus Stingers, I get the BEST of ALL worlds!
I have been fortunate enough to have been given SEVERAL brands broadheads for field testing and have personally or been involved with the killing, recovery, and wound diagnosis/documentation of literally HUNDREDS of bow kills. I have shot some of the MOST expensive heads and some of the better cheap ones. Thunderheads being amoung that list. (30.00 for SIX heads, instead of 3).
After YEARS of testing, I have found THREE huge factors in broadhead performance. Size, sharpness, accuracy. Cost is just a DISTANT fourth.
EVERYONE needs to use a head that they have confidence in to kill an animal. Without this confidence, skills WILL suffer, and animals probably will too.
I HIGHLY recommend you give the 4 blade 100 gr. Stinger a try this season. If you are NOT happy, I will buy the 3 pack from you, used or new.
I wish I could say that cost is not a factor for me, but it is. I have 2 kids in College and my wife and I both work. I would never buy a cheap broadhead. The animal I pursue is just too important. But with Magnus Stingers, I get the BEST of ALL worlds!
I have been fortunate enough to have been given SEVERAL brands broadheads for field testing and have personally or been involved with the killing, recovery, and wound diagnosis/documentation of literally HUNDREDS of bow kills. I have shot some of the MOST expensive heads and some of the better cheap ones. Thunderheads being amoung that list. (30.00 for SIX heads, instead of 3).
After YEARS of testing, I have found THREE huge factors in broadhead performance. Size, sharpness, accuracy. Cost is just a DISTANT fourth.
EVERYONE needs to use a head that they have confidence in to kill an animal. Without this confidence, skills WILL suffer, and animals probably will too.
I HIGHLY recommend you give the 4 blade 100 gr. Stinger a try this season. If you are NOT happy, I will buy the 3 pack from you, used or new.
If you have any interest in a mechanical COC head look at the Grim Reaper Razorcut SS. Solid, one piece COC head with a 1 3/8" cut mechanical.
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I to have used a lot of different heads in my 30 plus years of bowhunting. Unfortunately I had to buy mine therefore I have an investment in the testing and will make sure I give every one of them a fair chance. I keep buying heads to compare to the Strikers or Slick Tricks and nothing is making me want to change.
I would say the 4 blade Stinger should do a better job than the flat blade. At this time I do not need any heads. I have shot the Strikers ever since they first came out and still have the original 3. One thing I really like about them is when I do mess up a blade I can replace a single blade in 30 seconds and be back to using it. No waiting till I mess up a complete set then shipping them back and waiting days for the replacements.
When you figure up all your shipping cost, the extra heads you have to buy to be able to keep hunting while the bad heads are getting replaced. They are not as cheap as you may think.
I put accuracy first on my list then sharpness. While size is somewhat important I believe it is more important for the wound to not be able to close up and stop the blood trail. With true 3 or 4 blade heads this is less likely to happen.
I don't believe anybody would go to the woods with enough doubt in a head to cause their accuracy to suffer. That is basically a non issue in this discussion.
Since cost is a concern to you and size is high on your list I suggest you try the 100 gr Grizz Trick made by Slick Trick. They have a larger cutting cutting diameter (1 1/4 inch) than the Stinger (1 1/8). They are a true 4 blade not just a 2 blade with a small (3/4 inch) bleeder blade. They are accurate and cheaper. The blades on these heads are stronger than the original Slick Trick. Not sure how you can say you have the "BEST of ALL worlds!" when Magnus are beat by these heads in every category except warranty.
I to have used a lot of different heads in my 30 plus years of bowhunting. Unfortunately I had to buy mine therefore I have an investment in the testing and will make sure I give every one of them a fair chance. I keep buying heads to compare to the Strikers or Slick Tricks and nothing is making me want to change.
I would say the 4 blade Stinger should do a better job than the flat blade. At this time I do not need any heads. I have shot the Strikers ever since they first came out and still have the original 3. One thing I really like about them is when I do mess up a blade I can replace a single blade in 30 seconds and be back to using it. No waiting till I mess up a complete set then shipping them back and waiting days for the replacements.
When you figure up all your shipping cost, the extra heads you have to buy to be able to keep hunting while the bad heads are getting replaced. They are not as cheap as you may think.
I put accuracy first on my list then sharpness. While size is somewhat important I believe it is more important for the wound to not be able to close up and stop the blood trail. With true 3 or 4 blade heads this is less likely to happen.
I don't believe anybody would go to the woods with enough doubt in a head to cause their accuracy to suffer. That is basically a non issue in this discussion.
Since cost is a concern to you and size is high on your list I suggest you try the 100 gr Grizz Trick made by Slick Trick. They have a larger cutting cutting diameter (1 1/4 inch) than the Stinger (1 1/8). They are a true 4 blade not just a 2 blade with a small (3/4 inch) bleeder blade. They are accurate and cheaper. The blades on these heads are stronger than the original Slick Trick. Not sure how you can say you have the "BEST of ALL worlds!" when Magnus are beat by these heads in every category except warranty.
DWM,
Though friends have donated a few heads for my pet project of broadhead effectiveness over my past 30 years of bowhunting experience, I too, have had to come out of pocket on MANY of the broadheads I've used. THere have been DOZENS of heads tested by myself and friends.
Again, I find that there are THREE things CRITICAL with broadhead performance. SHARPNESS, ACCURACY, and WIDTH. Like growing B and C bucks, take away any ONE (age, genetics, nutrition) and your performance is lessened. A bowhunter REALLY needs ALL three broadhead characteristics to be lethal.
I also feel like there are certain broadheads that will lend themselves to better performance per game animal species. And in some cases, weight class within that species. I do not recommend any bowhunter pursue mature, large bodied Northern deer (think Canada) with mechanical forward opening heads. THere is just too much KE loss on opening. Similarly that same mechanical head may be the right choice for say a wild turkey. At the same time I will recommend a cut on contact, blade to tip head like a Stinger or Steelforce for those larger deer.
I have no friends who do not have a concern about cost when it comes to their bowhunting endeavors. Right down to the broadhead. So that will always be a factor. Several of us make bow kills in the double digits each year and with arrow costs what they are, and some broadheads ranging in the 15.00 each range, ten dollars cost difference per arrow can REALLY add up when talking about ten to fifteen shots per year.
And shipping costs, about 4.00 per envelope. You can get a BUNCH of Stingers in one 4.00 S&H envelope. Trust me, there is NO COMPARISON!!!
Let us do the math. 5 packs of Stingers initial cost at 25.00 per 3 pack. That is 15 heads for 125.00. I am guessing they Slick Trick is about 30.00 per 3. So 15 cost 150.00.
Let's say there were 45 deer killed over the last 5 years.
If you used 45 new heads it cost you 450.00.
If you did not bend any ferrules or damaged any tips, and could replace the blades, I am guessing a 3 pack of replacement blades cost you 18.00 per 3 pack? With tax 20.00? So the initial 15 cost 150.00 plus 10 more replacement blade packs at 20.00 per 3 for a Total of 350.00 (150 up front + 200 for replacement blades).
Stingers TOTAL cost = 125.00 PLUS 4.00 S&H per year per 5 years or 20.00 Shipping and handling. 145.00 for 45 kills (BRAND NEW HEADS and of course a few new hats ot T-shirts of my choice) or 350.00 15 new heads and a bunch of replacement blades and probably a cut finger or two (sorry, cheap shot)
Seriously, shoot whatever broadheads you want I really just wanted to help.
If a head performs well for you and your rig...SHOOT IT!!!
BTW, you'd be surprised how many EXPERIENCED hunters I've spoken with who had that much doubt in their heads.
Though friends have donated a few heads for my pet project of broadhead effectiveness over my past 30 years of bowhunting experience, I too, have had to come out of pocket on MANY of the broadheads I've used. THere have been DOZENS of heads tested by myself and friends.
Again, I find that there are THREE things CRITICAL with broadhead performance. SHARPNESS, ACCURACY, and WIDTH. Like growing B and C bucks, take away any ONE (age, genetics, nutrition) and your performance is lessened. A bowhunter REALLY needs ALL three broadhead characteristics to be lethal.
I also feel like there are certain broadheads that will lend themselves to better performance per game animal species. And in some cases, weight class within that species. I do not recommend any bowhunter pursue mature, large bodied Northern deer (think Canada) with mechanical forward opening heads. THere is just too much KE loss on opening. Similarly that same mechanical head may be the right choice for say a wild turkey. At the same time I will recommend a cut on contact, blade to tip head like a Stinger or Steelforce for those larger deer.
I have no friends who do not have a concern about cost when it comes to their bowhunting endeavors. Right down to the broadhead. So that will always be a factor. Several of us make bow kills in the double digits each year and with arrow costs what they are, and some broadheads ranging in the 15.00 each range, ten dollars cost difference per arrow can REALLY add up when talking about ten to fifteen shots per year.
And shipping costs, about 4.00 per envelope. You can get a BUNCH of Stingers in one 4.00 S&H envelope. Trust me, there is NO COMPARISON!!!
Let us do the math. 5 packs of Stingers initial cost at 25.00 per 3 pack. That is 15 heads for 125.00. I am guessing they Slick Trick is about 30.00 per 3. So 15 cost 150.00.
Let's say there were 45 deer killed over the last 5 years.
If you used 45 new heads it cost you 450.00.
If you did not bend any ferrules or damaged any tips, and could replace the blades, I am guessing a 3 pack of replacement blades cost you 18.00 per 3 pack? With tax 20.00? So the initial 15 cost 150.00 plus 10 more replacement blade packs at 20.00 per 3 for a Total of 350.00 (150 up front + 200 for replacement blades).
Stingers TOTAL cost = 125.00 PLUS 4.00 S&H per year per 5 years or 20.00 Shipping and handling. 145.00 for 45 kills (BRAND NEW HEADS and of course a few new hats ot T-shirts of my choice) or 350.00 15 new heads and a bunch of replacement blades and probably a cut finger or two (sorry, cheap shot)
Seriously, shoot whatever broadheads you want I really just wanted to help.
If a head performs well for you and your rig...SHOOT IT!!!
BTW, you'd be surprised how many EXPERIENCED hunters I've spoken with who had that much doubt in their heads.
I didn't mean to get in this long discussion. I am speaking from experience with BOTH heads are you? Seriously have you tried both?
Your numbers are wrong! A 3 pack of the Stinger 4 blade are $31.99 and the Grizz Trick from SAME supplier is $29.99. Replacement blade are $13.99. Why in the world would I need 45 heads? They last a lot better than that. Most cases all you need to do is hit them with a sharpener after killing a deer. If a blade does get messed up (which is far less likely than with the soft Magnus) you replace the blade that is damaged not the complete set. Replacement blades last a lot longer that way. Like I already said you have to buy twice as many Magnus as you really need so you have some while the others are in transit. I don't have that problem with what I shoot.
So you say you need 5 packs of Magnus = $159.95. I need 1 pack of heads I shoot! Even if I figure the higher G5 Strikers at $39.99 and replacement blades $14.99. I can buy 2 packs which is more than I need at $79.98 that leaves me enough to buy 5 packs of replacement blades and they will last me a long long time. No packing them back up paying postage all the time. If I figure the cheaper Grizz Trick head it is $57.98 for 2 packs that leaves me enough to buy 7 packs replacement blades with money left over. That give me enough to re blade 21 heads and if I only use half of them at a time that is equivalent to 42 of your heads. You would have to send back a lot of heads at $4 per 3 shipping to get same amount of replacements as I have. The chances of messing up the hard tough chisel point is very small and since I already bought twice the number I need I will not need more.
Like I said I never wanted to get in this long discussion. Your are trying to get me to buy something I tried and do not like. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Not sure why you can't understand that. I was only giving my experiences to someone who ask a question that is undecided. I do not try to force someone to change from what they are happy with. I only told you to try what I shoot because you are like that car salesman you can't get away from. You know the one that won't even let you look at everything on the lot without all the sales pressure and he ends up running off potential customers. If you have not tried the heads I speak of you CAN NOT give a honest comparison. I have used both and the true math does not add up! I'm done on this discussion.
Your numbers are wrong! A 3 pack of the Stinger 4 blade are $31.99 and the Grizz Trick from SAME supplier is $29.99. Replacement blade are $13.99. Why in the world would I need 45 heads? They last a lot better than that. Most cases all you need to do is hit them with a sharpener after killing a deer. If a blade does get messed up (which is far less likely than with the soft Magnus) you replace the blade that is damaged not the complete set. Replacement blades last a lot longer that way. Like I already said you have to buy twice as many Magnus as you really need so you have some while the others are in transit. I don't have that problem with what I shoot.
So you say you need 5 packs of Magnus = $159.95. I need 1 pack of heads I shoot! Even if I figure the higher G5 Strikers at $39.99 and replacement blades $14.99. I can buy 2 packs which is more than I need at $79.98 that leaves me enough to buy 5 packs of replacement blades and they will last me a long long time. No packing them back up paying postage all the time. If I figure the cheaper Grizz Trick head it is $57.98 for 2 packs that leaves me enough to buy 7 packs replacement blades with money left over. That give me enough to re blade 21 heads and if I only use half of them at a time that is equivalent to 42 of your heads. You would have to send back a lot of heads at $4 per 3 shipping to get same amount of replacements as I have. The chances of messing up the hard tough chisel point is very small and since I already bought twice the number I need I will not need more.
Like I said I never wanted to get in this long discussion. Your are trying to get me to buy something I tried and do not like. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Not sure why you can't understand that. I was only giving my experiences to someone who ask a question that is undecided. I do not try to force someone to change from what they are happy with. I only told you to try what I shoot because you are like that car salesman you can't get away from. You know the one that won't even let you look at everything on the lot without all the sales pressure and he ends up running off potential customers. If you have not tried the heads I speak of you CAN NOT give a honest comparison. I have used both and the true math does not add up! I'm done on this discussion.
BigCountry71
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Take a look at Ram Cat Broad heads. Shot them this past season and they will stay in my quiver. I was very impressed with them. Great fixed blade head. Best penetration i have seen in awhile. We took 3 different fixed blade broad heads and did our own test. The Ram Cat by far out performed them all..
BigCountry I have never heard of them but I did look them up. Very interesting design but my problem is they would be considered barbed if they are fixed blade and illegal here in Tennessee.
After going back and looking again they seem to fold forward some to keep them from being barbed. They are not expandables but not completely fixed blade either.
After going back and looking again they seem to fold forward some to keep them from being barbed. They are not expandables but not completely fixed blade either.
DWM,
No, I have not used the Grizz. But I can tell you one thing I am sure of. If Radar says they are a good ptoduct, they are!!!
Also worth noting is that YOU have not used the 100 grain 4 blade Magnus. You said it was a 2 blade.
I am NOT downing ANY BROADHEAD. NONE! PERIOD. THere are MANY MANY really great heads out there, And I am sure the Slick Trick is one of them.
Not sure where you looked for price, but Bowhunters Warehouse sells both heads. 29.99 for the Slicks and 26.99 for the Stingers.
I would buy either off of e-bay and when I do, I save a few bucks. Bowhunters Warehouse Superstore sells on E-bay.
In all fairness, I am only trying to help hunters save a few hard earned dollars while trying a really good product from a GREAT Company that I have had really good experiences with.
I am not downing you or Slick Tricks or ANY other head. GOOD GRIEF.
No, I have not used the Grizz. But I can tell you one thing I am sure of. If Radar says they are a good ptoduct, they are!!!
Also worth noting is that YOU have not used the 100 grain 4 blade Magnus. You said it was a 2 blade.
I am NOT downing ANY BROADHEAD. NONE! PERIOD. THere are MANY MANY really great heads out there, And I am sure the Slick Trick is one of them.
Not sure where you looked for price, but Bowhunters Warehouse sells both heads. 29.99 for the Slicks and 26.99 for the Stingers.
I would buy either off of e-bay and when I do, I save a few bucks. Bowhunters Warehouse Superstore sells on E-bay.
In all fairness, I am only trying to help hunters save a few hard earned dollars while trying a really good product from a GREAT Company that I have had really good experiences with.
I am not downing you or Slick Tricks or ANY other head. GOOD GRIEF.
