Deer [b]hurting[/b] turkeys; asinine or legit?

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I have thought about this before, and stik's post got me to post mine. But in no way am I proposing or claiming that deer are the real problem for wild turkeys for us in the middle/southern parts of the state that have experienced population decline. I just have some thoughts about it. Deer lovers bash away on me, I do not care for I am a turkey guy.

In my area and surrounding areas deer dominate the woods. They eat pretty much all the available food during the fall/winter months. They eat the food plots (mainly the clover) down to the dirt. They consume too many acorns. They eat all the soft mast before turkeys can get to it. They destroy any type of spring/summer food plot you plant(sunflowers, millet, beans ect.) before it is developed for turkey nesting and/or brood rearing habitat. As well as destryong bobwhite quail habitat and future dove fields. Also, I blame the deer for the squirrel hunting being so poor in the month of January and Early February, because there aren't any nuts left for them to eat.

I have enjoyed hunting the whitetail deer for my entire life, but I do not cherish it like I do my turkey hunting. I usually kill 2-3 deer a year to eat, and try to get a nice buck if the opportunity presents itself(which rarely does.) Other than feeding myself with some venison, I have no desire to kill alot of other deer for the simple reason of having to drag them out, find someone that ones the meat, and what not.
But after thinking about it in my wild turkey perspective, I may have to try a little harder to find willing people who want venison.

What do yall think? I am prepared for any bashing I may get from the deer first hunters.
 
Re: Deer hurting turkeys; asinine or legit?

I love them both but prefer the turkey, In my area I dont see how it would really affect the birds. We have tons of food year round from food plots, pastures, natural forage and thousands of acres of ag land. But still no birds
 
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I am a deer and turkey fanatic. personally on our farms I don't see that happening. not saying it isn't or wont happen. but we have a good population of both deer and turkeys and they seem to be good.
 
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I still tend to believe it does affect them. The only thing that a turkey will eat that a deer will not eat is bugs.

I am thinking about being like Deer Assassin now.

And the more I think about deer and this subject, the worse it gets for me. I hit a doe about two months ago and cost me a little over $700 in repairs for my truck. It really makes me despise them.
 
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Yall must not have the whitetails like we do around here. The only thing farmers can grow is cotton.
 
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I don't know that it doesn't affect them some. but I don't think its as bad as you think. every animal in the woods has to fight for food. I would say squirrels are taking a whole lot more acorns then people think. I mean I see where you're coming from just cant see it creating that big of a deal. they have lived together all across the country and seem to be just fine.
 
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I can promise you we have the deer in maury county and hickman county. and I have a farm in giles county that's loaded we have the deer. but we also have the turkeys besides our giles county farm.
 
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deerhunter10 said:
I don't know that it doesn't affect them some. but I don't think its as bad as you think. every animal in the woods has to fight for food. I would say squirrels are taking a whole lot more acorns then people think. I mean I see where you're coming from just cant see it creating that big of a deal. they have lived together all across the country and seem to be just fine.

Yep. But I did say early in my post that I wasn't claiming or advocating this was a problem for the problem counties, just stating that it could be a problem. Deer populations have been going up since wildlife management came to form.

We kinda need an EHD outbreak around here.
 
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I think predators are a much bigger problem. Ain't near as many people coon hunt around me as they did 10 yrs. ago. Our coon population has exploded.
 
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We dont have very many deer and have less turkeys than even these southern counties with their population declines so I want more of both deer and turkey. We arent even close to having to many of either, Im actually afraid my son wont have even marginal numbers of turkeys to hunt. Something is going to have to change.
 
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diffently not seeing an ehd outbreak up close and personal it is the last thing anyone should want. im not saying they aren't stepping on each other toes. I just cant seeing it being that big of a deal. but ive been wrong before.
 
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I also feel that the ecosystem is getting out of whack. Way too many deer, way too many armidillos, foxes, coons, hogs, among others. Some people think that shooting coyotes is good, which it can be. What out there is eating these little turkey/quail egg eaters if there are no coyotes to eat the racoons?

A big predator, such as a coyote, bobcat, or fox, will usually only catch itself one poult, and move on. Skunks, Armidillos, possums, racoons, and the like will find a nest of 13 eggs and eat ever last one of them.
 
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Poser said:
I can't imagine deer negatively effecting your squirrel hunting come jan/feb. Squirrels cache their acorns in thousands of locations. They also spend some time hibernating during those months and, with their cached food stores, don't have reason to move much. One of the reasons you see them so active in November is that they are busy storing their food away for the hard winter months.

Yea they have to get all the food before the deer get them!

Look yall, I am just having fun starting discussion and maybe stirring a pot. I do like whitetail deer and deer hunting. It was just a thought that I have had.
 
Re: Deer hurting turkeys; asinine or legit?

Deer and turkey have coincided for 100s of years.

Meanwhile buy you some traps and start killing the crap out of varmints. I think we killed 30+ coons, 2 coyotes, 3 bobcats, 5 or 6 possums and 40+ armadillos up to around theend of February. I'm trying to do my part.
 
Re: Deer hurting turkeys; asinine or legit?

Every animal in an ecosystem effects one another, down to bugs and bacteria/ viruses... Improve the habitat for prey species, generally u improve it for them all. Your problem is more to do with predators than anything. How many eggs get eaten by snakes, coons, foxes, coyotes, bobcats, opposums, rats, dogs, etc.? Then how many poults, the list of predators even increases for them? Then how many adults? They aren't starving to death... U wanna help your turkeys start trapping yr around... Improve nesting areas.. Plant chufa and things turkeys like...
 
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smstone22 said:
We dont have very many deer and have less turkeys than even these southern counties with their population declines so I want more of both deer and turkey. We arent even close to having to many of either, Im actually afraid my son wont have even marginal numbers of turkeys to hunt. Something is going to have to change.

We dont have marginal numbers in my area, if we did I wouldn't be setting here playing on my phone
 
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You'd probly do better for the turks to start raising/ releasing crickets, than to wipe out your deer

Remember deer are a prey species, remove them and your turkeys increase as a food source to predators... Same goes for squirrels, rabbits, etc.
 
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Populations of both appear to be perfectly fine in the areas I hunt. I'm sure one affects the other, but to what extent is hard to say.

I could live without deer
 
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Every farm I hunt, in Rutherford, Wilson, and Giles County have plenty of both.

Priest has plenty of both, so I think it is more area specific than species specific.

For instance turkey like cow fields, and deer will go out there to browse if there is something there they want, but if there are acorns in the woods, they will stay in the woods more times than not. So in this example, the turkey can eat bugs, and what not on the field and coexist. I guess it is most likely the terrain and what is on the fields in your area.
 
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I have seen the opposite. Hunting in one of our food plots this deer season I watched a jake and gobbler run 15 deer out of a clover field. It was the strangest thing I have witnessed in several years of hunting. Other times a flock of hens have cleared certain areas of a field they want to peck around in. Another time a hen pecked a yearling in the nose and ran her around for a couple of yards.
 

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