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2021/22 turned out to be the year of 'what the heck just happened??" hunts.

We had a target doe on our hitlist this year. She was very aggressive and nervous, always alerting other deer and also had button bucks fawn twins.

TX300mag reminded me that we should try and remove this doe from the herd to keep the BBs around for the future.

Of course, as soon as we started specifically hunting this deer, she ghosted us. But she showed back up during the private lands hunt. Wife called me after I heard her shoot. She was ecstatic! She finally got her shot, and the deer went down immediately.

Gets a little weird from there. I walk up on the deer, and immediately think "Is this a button buck?"

You can see from the pictures below she had two dark bumps where the pedicle would usually be, and her tarsals were solid black. I raised the leg and was pleasantly surprised to find lady parts.

I wish I had done that before I asked her "Are you sure you shot the right deer?" - ha. Yeah, if you are married you can picture the look I got exactly.

I found a post from Dr. Grant Woods discussing this phenomena. Said it's rare and can occur if the doe is very dominant.

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To make it even weirder, she told me the doe had been quartering to her, and was stomping at the blind (I told you she was ornery) and she aimed mid-torso. But we see the doe has a giant gunshot wound in her neck, just behind the ear. Wife immediately starts second guessing her shooting and I offer to check the zero of the rifle.

But then we notice an entry hole right in the middle of the chest. When I skinned her, I was able to trace the bullet from the chest, ricocheted upwards, travelled through 5 vertebrae in the neck, and exited behind the ear. Her shot was exactly where she was aiming. Never seen that happen before. (For reference, was a 7mm-08 with 140gr federal fusion)



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Even better, with this deer gone, other deer immediately started showing up that we hadn't seen in a while or only at night. Coincidence? Maybe.

Seemed like an appropriate way to wrap up a year of strange hunts.
 
Yes, I have at least one doe on my place with very pronounced "knobs" on her skull that look just like buttons. But I've got enough video of her to be assured she is female (can see her genitalia).
 
As for the gunshot, I tell people all the time that bullets do not always travel in a straight line once the come in contact with something, especially bone. I've looked at a bullet path through a deer where the bullet made two 90-degree turns when hitting bone.
 
I often see does with those knobs where antler pedicles would be on a buck. And I also see lots of does with dark stained tarsals same way bucks get. I think both are normal, just that we don't pay much attention to it.

Here's a pic of three does being chased by a buck. You can see the knots on the closest doe's head behind her eye sockets, where on a buck would be antler pedicle. And the two does behind her have black stain tarsals same as we see on bucks.
 

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Tarsal staining on does is normal, usually darker when they are in estrous. They will begin licking their tarsals clean once they are bred. I think I have seen does with knots like the one your wife killed, but didn't put them in the ground to verify. Have seen bullets do some strange stuff after hitting bone.

Congrats to your wife.
 
I often see does with those knobs where antler pedicles would be on a buck. And I also see lots of does with dark stained tarsals same way bucks get. I think both are normal, just that we don't pay much attention to it.

Here's a pic of three does being chased by a buck. You can see the knots on the closest doe's head behind her eye sockets, where on a buck would be antler pedicle. And the two does behind her have black stain tarsals same as we see on bucks.
Nice pic!
 
Interesting that you guys are also sometimes seeing does with dark tarsals.

here's the response from Dr. Grant Woods regarding this topic

 
I forgot to add - I also dissected the ovaries and was able to located 1 fetus.

According to the aging charts I could find the fetus was about 30 days old, which put the breeding right at the beginning of December (which is our best week for seeing mature bucks)
 
I forgot to add - I also dissected the ovaries and was able to located 1 fetus.

According to the aging charts I could find the fetus was about 30 days old, which put the breeding right at the beginning of December (which is our best week for seeing mature bucks)
Good for you for measuring it. That's critically important information.
 
Good for you for measuring it. That's critically important information.
I don't know why but I thought at 30 days it would be a little more "deery". Not something I have much more experience with.

It was still really just a little wet sack, and according to QDMA too young to accurately measure. There wasn't much to measure!
 

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