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The old hevi 13 were 13g cc now they have dropped to around 12g cc. So a hevi 7 is equivalent to a lead 6.
 
booth said:
The old hevi 13 were 13g cc now they have dropped to around 12g cc.
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This is news to me, when did this happen? I was under the impression that Hevi-Shot was 12g cc but Hevi-13 was 13g cc? Is this not the case?

HEVI-13 states "HEVI-13 pellets are about 20% denser than lead and penetrate far deeper." Lead density is 11.3g cc, so 20% denser would be 13.5 g cc. I could swallow 13 g cc, but if they are advertising their shot is 20% denser than lead and producing and selling something that is 6% denser, that is very misleading.

These have always been the density values that I learned and used in my calculations:

Steel - 7.5g cc, Bismuth - 9.6g cc, Unplated Lead - 11.3g cc, Hevi-Shot & Remington HD - 12g cc, HEVI-13 - 13g cc, Federal heavyweight - 15.2g cc, and Tungsten Super Shot - 18g cc.
 
Spurhunter said:
Andy, I believe this is due to the irregular shape of the pellets.
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I agree 100% and so does my good friend who has been shooting Nitro's since they first hit the market 10 or more years ago. We both agree the irregular shape of the shot is a key player in the killing power, as well as the denser shot, thus more penetration at similar velocities.
 
sellsman11 said:
I agree 100%. They are $6 around here.
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FWIW, I paid $8/shell last year including tax for H517T 3.5", and I called my local vendor just now and he quoted me $45.89 including tax for those same 5 shells, so that is $9.18 per shell. My buddy just placed an order with Nitro last week and he too said the prices had went up some from last year.
 
Andy S. said:
booth said:
The old hevi 13 were 13g cc now they have dropped to around 12g cc.
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This is news to me, when did this happen? I was under the impression that Hevi-Shot was 12g cc but Hevi-13 was 13g cc? Is this not the case?

HEVI-13 states "HEVI-13 pellets are about 20% denser than lead and penetrate far deeper." Lead density is 11.3g cc, so 20% denser would be 13.5 g cc. I could swallow 13 g cc, but if they are advertising their shot is 20% denser than lead and producing and selling something that is 6% denser, that is very misleading.

These have always been the density values that I learned and used in my calculations:

Steel - 7.5g cc, Bismuth - 9.6g cc, Unplated Lead - 11.3g cc, Hevi-Shot & Remington HD - 12g cc, HEVI-13 - 13g cc, Federal heavyweight - 15.2g cc, and Tungsten Super Shot - 18g cc.
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It has been like that for a couple of years now, het still advertise the same and no one would know it if handloaders had not measured the density.
 
Andy S. said:
Spurhunter said:
Andy, I believe this is due to the irregular shape of the pellets.
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I agree 100% and so does my good friend who has been shooting Nitro's since they first hit the market 10 or more years ago. We both agree the irregular shape of the shot is a key player in the killing power, as well as the denser shot, thus more penetration at similar velocities.
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I dont see how.that is possible, the one big thing is penetration, but the biggest thing is more pellets on target.

With lead you break one vertebrae where hevi that patterns better will break 10 vertebrate ( just an example)

Hevi patterns great but i guarantee that if EM produced perfectly round shot it would pattern even tighter. Deformed shot causes flyers.

Square bullets wouldn't kill any better than round ones...
 
Rockhound said:
....if handloaders had not measured the density.
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Did you measure the density? If so, how? If not, who did? If not you, provide the source as I would like to read about their experiment and results. Thanks.
 
Rockhound said:
Deformed shot causes flyers.
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How do you figure this to be the case? If it is true, one sure could not tell it by looking at my paper targets.

Rockhound said:
Square bullets wouldn't kill any better than round ones...
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Our thinking is the irregularities in the shot cut and destroy flesh, tissue, organs and such jut as a serrated knife would when compared to a smooth blade knife. The result is a more nasty wound if you will. We do not have any scientific data to support this, just something we have theorized over the years of shooting Nitro and Hevi shells and witnessing their destruction on turkeys.
 
Rockhound said:
REN said:
woodsman87 said:
Also, I love the hevi-shot, but hate the brand Hevi-Shot and there are two big reasons. From my experience with the many many Hevi-shot brand Hevi-shot I have bought the actual shotshells are terrible. The ends come apart and the bb's and other things fall out the end. Also, the rim part of the brass gets bummed up really easy and my gun, Remington 11-87, would get to where it couldn't grab them to eject them. Both of these problems would start to happen midway through season after loading and unloading so much. I guess if you never unloaded your gun or killed one everyday it wouldn't do that.


I use the Winchester extended range now, same price as Hevi-shot brand, and I think it is the same kind of metal. The shells on them do not tear up. They pattern as good as Hevi-Shot does too, out of my gun/choke that is.

Maybe Hevi-shot shotshells have changed, and if one of you tells me they don't tear up anymore I may go get me some. But I quite using them, and I have gone through many of them before I finally got tired of fooling with them.
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1. i have not had any issues with quality, when i shot the straight #7 i tried to always get the same lot#s as there seemed to be good and bad, HOWEVER with the magblends i have not found an issue from lot to lot.

2. the Xtended range is not the same as the Hevi shot...Xtended range is 10% heavier then lead and Hevi is %20 if i remember correctly

I shot the Xtended range for a while but switched as the Hevi just shot way better in my guns.
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Xtended range and hevi shot are both 12 g/cc making them the same.
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ok good to know, I for some reason thought Xtended said they were 10% heavier and Hevi was %15-%20 and Heavyweight was like %30. those could all be WAY off though
 
Andy S. said:
Rockhound said:
....if handloaders had not measured the density.
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Did you measure the density? If so, how? If not, who did? If not you, provide the source as I would like to read about their experiment and results. Thanks.
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I haven't measured it personally, im going to p.m. you a link
 
Im not a "shellologist" like yall, yall got me to thinking alot though.
Are Hevi-shot and Winchester Xtended the same or not?

I have seen Hevi-shot and Hevi-13, what are the differences in those? I have heard of Nitros, but I will not pay that much when I know Hevi or just lead can kill turkeys too.

So, which is the best shell besides Nitros? I'm going shell shopping soon.
 
I think y'all are over-thinking this....more uniform pellets would fly better than irregular shaped ones... The reason the hevi shot is more destructive isn't because it's heavier than lead its because there is more of it in the shells. Most of these shells (3 1/2") have at least 2 1/4 0z of shot. Nitros may have more.. The weight plus the added number of pellets causes the patterns to be better. It's like hitting something with one pellet as opposed to hitting same target with 30. End result is same but way more damage with more shot on target..the shape of shot doesn't matter and actually because lead does deform it actually does more damage but not as much of it in target.. Hevi shot is hard like steel...you need more of it to do the job but it works. This is why people like the hevi 7s there are so many more pellets in a shell it just patterns great and it devastating.. This is all just my opinion for what it's worth.... I will say this I am getting to point I don't care to pay these high prices for these shells when anything will kill a turkey at 30-35 yards and that seems to be the average shot for me.
 
30-35 yard is definately about my average shot Roost 1.

And I have never used the #7s, and not at all saying they dont work but I would think for more down range energy and knockdown power #5s or #6s would be better, but of course it is less pellets.

Yall fill me in, I may just try the 7s
 
woodsman87 said:
So, which is the best shell besides Nitros?
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If Nitro went out of business tomorrow, I would have zero worries shooting the 3.5" Hevi-Shot MagBlends in my setup as they shoot great too. I have witnessed their devastating results on turkeys as well.
 
I may try the Hevi MagBlends Andy. My dad uses them and he loves them. It is always best to try a shot pattern out of your set-up before you hunt, but I hate buying a box of five shells for nearly 30$, and then using a shell to see.

Any of yall shoot an 11-87 super mag 3.5" Hevi Magblends with a Primos Tight wad choke? Not sure what constriction no my choke is.
 
woodsman87 said:
30-35 yard is definately about my average shot Roost 1.

And I have never used the #7s, and not at all saying they dont work but I would think for more down range energy and knockdown power #5s or #6s would be better, but of course it is less pellets.

Yall fill me in, I may just try the 7s
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I don't use 7's either for above mentioned reasons. But this may be old school thinking because hevi shot is different than lead... However at 30-35 yds lead will do the job and has done it very nicely over the years... Heck at 35 yds lead and a full choke gets the job done... Thing is is everybody today wants to be able to put x number of pellets in 10" target. Not knocking anyone but it has become a pissing contest... I would bet some guys shoot way more targets than turkeys... I am more interested in killing birds than bragging on how many pellets I can put in a 10" target at 40yds..... I am sure I just opened a can of worms.... Oh well!!!
 
I shot 7s for a few years with AWESOME results, i switched to Magblends mainly because they are MUCH easier to find locally or online and usually are a tad cheaper.

I got tired to trying to find 7's and find ones with the lot numbers i wanted. as far as performance they are pretty nasty!
 

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