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I am starting to believe in climate change…

It is more about three falls in a row under La Nina climate patterns than anything else. But has the Earth's climate warmed over the last two decade or so? Yes, due to warmer oceans worldwide. The question is, why are the oceans warmer? Ocean temperatures control the world's climate, but no one knows what controls ocean temperatures.
 
I absolutely believe the climate is getting warmer. What I do not believe is that humans caused it or that it is going to result in the catastrophe that the Left is saying to scare us into voting for their insane policy.

This weather is borderline depressing to see 80s into the 2nd half of October, let alone going into the first week or so of November. If I wanted this kind of Fall heat, I'd just live in the panhandle of Florida and at least have excellent fishing out my back door.
 
BSK said:
It is more about three falls in a row under La Nina climate patterns than anything else. But has the Earth's climate warmed over the last two decade or so? Yes, due to warmer oceans worldwide. The question is, why are the oceans warmer? Ocean temperatures control the world's climate, but no one knows what controls ocean temperatures.
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Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation.
 
It was a lot warmer back before the ice caps froze over so it is obvious nature does its thing. Having said that. Adding billions of humans, redistributing building materials, mining and burning oil & coal might have actually altered the earth's axis ever so slightly causing the changes we are seeing now. Like a spinning top, add or take away weight from one side or the other tends to wobble before righting itself. Just a thought.
 
Ski said:
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation.
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Possible, but the warming of the oceans is a global phenomenon that has been going on for about 30 years. And the biggest player in the world's climate - the Pacific Ocean - is where some of the craziest increases in water temperature are occurring. Now, VERY warm water is being transported north by the Japanese Current all the way up to the Bering Strait. That is not normal at all.
 
Bgoodman30 said:
Just not man made…

Used to be one might grumble about an opening weekend of bow season being in the 80's. Now we're faced with a MZ opener in the 80's. I do not like this new normal…
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There's a difference between man-made and man-influenced.

There is simply no question that with 8 billion people on the planet we are influencing the planets climate on some level.
 
BSK said:
Possible, but the warming of the oceans is a global phenomenon that has been going on for about 30 years. And the biggest player in the world's climate - the Pacific Ocean - is where some of the craziest increases in water temperature are occurring. Now, VERY warm water is being transported north by the Japanese Current all the way up to the Bering Strait. That is not normal at all.
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Normal on what scale? 10,000yrs, 10mil yrs, or 10bil yrs? What we're experiencing right now might be very normal and repetitive on a time scale we can't fathom. I'm doubtful it's a new thing. But perhaps it is. Even if so I am even more doubtful it has anything significantly to do with humans and would be happening whether we were here or not.

I'm not a science denier by any measure but I am cautiously skeptical because ive been where science is first being learned and seen it change as fluidly as a river flows. Throughout our history people have been perplexed at their current state of affairs, only to be studied and more understood by later generations. I suspect that pattern will repeat yet again to explain what we're experiencing but none of us will be around to see it.
 
MidTennFisher said:
I absolutely believe the climate is getting warmer. What I do not believe is that humans caused it or that it is going to result in the catastrophe that the Left is saying to scare us into voting for their insane policy.

This weather is borderline depressing to see 80s into the 2nd half of October, let alone going into the first week or so of November. If I wanted this kind of Fall heat, I'd just live in the panhandle of Florida and at least have excellent fishing out my back door.
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My thoughts exactly!!
 
Ski said:
Normal on what scale? 10,000yrs, 10mil yrs, or 10bil yrs? What we're experiencing right now might be very normal and repetitive on a time scale we can't fathom. I'm doubtful it's a new thing. But perhaps it is. Even if so I am even more doubtful it has anything significantly to do with humans and would be happening whether we were here or not.

I'm not a science denier by any measure but I am cautiously skeptical because ive been where science is first being learned and seen it change as fluidly as a river flows. Throughout our history people have been perplexed at their current state of affairs, only to be studied and more understood by later generations. I suspect that pattern will repeat yet again to explain what we're experiencing but none of us will be around to see it.
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Valid points all Ski. We only have very detailed data about our climate and oceans going back about 50 years. But what about cyclic patterns that occur over hundreds if not thousands of years? We have no idea about those other than just anecdotal information, such as the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period.

Disagreements in science are not only normal, they are how science works. I cannot emphasize this enough. Science is about collecting facts and then testing hypotheses about what the facts mean. Then the scientist publishes his/her ideas and presents all of the data to the scientific community for others to test to see if they come to the same conclusions. The process works because everyone else gets to poke holes in the theories of others. Critical analysis is the cornerstone of science. However, we have recently moved into a "new" (and disastrous) form of "science." When you have "scientists" (read political/social activists masquerading as scientists) hiding the data, or even worse, altering the data so it comes out the way they want it to, science is officially dead. And that's where we're at.
 
Bgoodman30 said:
Just not man made…

Used to be one might grumble about an opening weekend of bow season being in the 80's. Now we're faced with a MZ opener in the 80's. I do not like this new normal…
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Just realized MZ doesn't open until the 9th this year.. Wow that gives me a little hope...
 
BSK said:
It is more about three falls in a row under La Nina climate patterns than anything else. But has the Earth's climate warmed over the last two decade or so? Yes, due to warmer oceans worldwide. The question is, why are the oceans warmer? Ocean temperatures control the world's climate, but no one knows what controls ocean temperatures.
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Ocean temp was off the charts this year. No idea why.
 
Before long we will have palm trees, alligators and orange groves here in TN. Welcome to the tropics! It sucks seeing what the weather is doing to hunting. Deer move less and ducks don't migrate like they used to. Worst of all, most days I hunt I am burning up in the tree. To the point, that I question just how fun it is.
 

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