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Anyone who kills a deer before season ends willing to put a small bottle or zipbloc bag under it while it hangs to collect some blood.

If the deer runs 50 plus yards I'll take a pair of the hooves from the elbows down as well.

Freeze and I'll come to you - Middle TN. Project dog underway..

Processor will be last resort.
 
TNJones4530 said:
Anyone who kills a deer before season ends willing to put a small bottle or zipbloc bag under it while it hangs to collect some blood.

If the deer runs 50 plus yards I'll take a pair of the hooves from the elbows down as well.

Freeze and I'll come to you - Middle TN. Project dog underway..

Processor will be last resort.
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Use some ground meat in 1 pound tube. Let it thaw in the fridge and punch a hole in the bottom of it. Tie a string to it and you have a ready made bloody drag.
 
If you cant get fresh blood, simply defrost a frozen deer ham/roast in a bowl and collect the juice. That is what I used to train my dog back when.
Put in a water bottle and poke a very small hole in the cap to make a dripper/squeeze bottle.
When it gets good at that, take a stick and screw a small piece of sponge to the end. Drip a little juice on the sponge and lay down a track dabbing the stick on the ground every few feet. As it gets better and better, space the track out further.
Good luck and enjoy the training. Its really fun and rewarding training a tracking dog !!
 
expect to struggle a bit with that breed for blood trailing. They will want to "run" the track with nose in the air instead of slowly working the track nose to the ground. It can be done, but their natural tendency to run the track will have them loosing the trail at turns (also called checks in trailing lingo).
Labs are bad for this as well and my old dog was no different. I would have to keep him on a leash to slow him down until he was working the track instead of running the line acting the fool.
Regardless it is great fun, and wonderful bonding time with your dog. Enjoy and post some updates occasionally.
 
hammer33 said:
expect to struggle a bit with that breed for blood trailing. They will want to "run" the track with nose in the air instead of slowly working the track nose to the ground. It can be done, but their natural tendency to run the track will have them loosing the trail at turns (also called checks in trailing lingo).
Labs are bad for this as well and my old dog was no different. I would have to keep him on a leash to slow him down until he was working the track instead of running the line acting the fool.
Regardless it is great fun, and wonderful bonding time with your dog. Enjoy and post some updates occasionally.
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This is not our experience at all. My son uses wire hairs for trailing work. I think breeding and/or early experience imprinting have everything to do with high headed dogs. I really think it's learned for the most part though.
 
Roughly 50 yards plus. An injured deer puts out wounded scent through the interdigital glands which are right above the knuckles of the hooves.. The more they run the more time for the glands to push out the wounded scent and onto the hooves etc. If they drop on the spot the gland doesn't push out the scent or at least nearly as much needed to get a dog to track that specific scent.

People that are serious about deer recovery rarely use blood.. others use it sparingly. Sometimes you have good blood or minimal but you'll always have the wounded interdigital gland scent of a running deer.

How I understand it all..
 
Most of your pointing dogs are bred to move fast cutting the wind looking for birds. When they smell one, the quality training kicks in and they work the bird instead of blasting through it flushing it.

Your "tracking" breeds tend to move slower with nose to the ground, especially with training.
One of the best trackers I had personally seen was a mutt wirehair terrier mix. Weiner dogs typically make good trackers too. IMO if you are willing to put in the work, almost any dog can be taught to track. The really really hard part is then letting the dog teach you.
 
TNJones4530 said:
Roughly 50 yards plus. An injured deer puts out wounded scent through the interdigital glands which are right above the knuckles of the hooves.. The more they run the more time for the glands to push out the wounded scent and onto the hooves etc. If they drop on the spot the gland doesn't push out the scent or at least nearly as much needed to get a dog to track that specific scent.

People that are serious about deer recovery rarely use blood.. others use it sparingly. Sometimes you have good blood or minimal but you'll always have the wounded interdigital gland scent of a running deer.

How I understand it all..
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I guess all the dogs we trained on blood was able to put it all together without the hooves. I think I'll stick with what we've been doing for years. Good info though.
 
Shorthairs are supposed to be versatile and tracking is part of their breeding. If you get one that will do it all count yourself lucky. Mine that hunt birds I don't want hunting anything else. If I'm quail hunting I don't want them hunting rabbits. I have one that's gun shy and apparently not gonna get over it so tried her on trailing and she does ok. Make no mistake a pointer puts that nose to the ground when they get on scent.
 
Mattt said:
Shorthairs are supposed to be versatile and tracking is part of their breeding. If you get one that will do it all count yourself lucky. Mine that hunt birds I don't want hunting anything else. If I'm quail hunting I don't want them hunting rabbits. I have one that's gun shy and apparently not gonna get over it so tried her on trailing and she does ok. Make no mistake a pointer puts that nose to the ground when they get on scent.
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Shorthairs and wirehairs can be and are versatile etc in general.. but if you look into the deutsch drahthaar and deutsch kurzhaar they keep the versatility in the genes because they are held to the German standards. A dog that does not pass qualifications will only be a wirehair or shorthair..

Anyone that's interested can nerd out through this link..

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