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Jameis's accuser files federal suit against FSU.

darn2ten":2gmva3rx said:
I read it, and went back and read it again! My conclusion, that is a very biased piece wrote by a Tallahassee fan boy. Many of the links take you back to fan side or FSU sites as "evidence"...shocker! The author admits the investigation was not conducted properly, then spends time trying to give evidence that is was, lol.

To quote Mr Nohe, "parts of this narrative is that the TPD botched the investigation. And while that's not a point I'm going to argue, the extent to which it was botched has been exaggerated greatly."

There are many more web sites with the opposite conclusion than there are this one. Are you seriously going to tell me this girl wasn't in fear, that she feared for her safety after exposing the star player. Yeah, I think that might have some bearing on some of her actions.

She got into the cab with Winston after asking for permission from her girl fiend. Why? Ask her. The Judge at the FSU code of Conduct hearing didn't seem to think she was afraid of before or after she got into cab with Winston.

Regardless, like I said before it shows FSU was more worried about covering for their star player and keeping him on the field than anything else.

Again from the article, " Yes, someone at the TPD tipped off FSU administrator Monk Bonasorte and he allowed Winston and Florida State to get out in front of the allegations. But that, in itself, does not make the allegations against Winston true."


From the time this was reported until it went to trial, Winston faces no consequences and his accuser is drug threw the mud.

Trial? What trial? Trial by the media?

While charges are pending what other university handles things in this manner? You've got your biased opinion because you a Seminole fan, and I ( and many others) have mine.

I am a fan of fair and unbiased media. Something the NYT is not. It is a sad day when folks will grab unto a false and misleading statements from a news hack who is trying to sell his work. Reporting is ok, but when the reporter adds his comment,judgement and omits the actual facts, its just wrong. Those of you who fall for it are, well, wrong too.
 
She got into the cab with Winston after asking for permission from her girl fiend. Why? Ask her. The Judge at the FSU code of Conduct hearing didn't seem to think she was afraid of before or after she got into cab with Winston.

Not exactly what I meant. Just because she got into a cab with Winston doesn't mean she wasn't raped later. Plenty of women are raped who trust their attackers. I meant after the incident, after everybody turned on her for trying to out Winston. I'm sure it was pretty scary for her around campus having to watch her back.



Again from the article, " Yes, someone at the TPD tipped off FSU administrator Monk Bonasorte and he allowed Winston and Florida State to get out in front of the allegations. But that, in itself, does not make the allegations against Winston true."[\quote]

Sure don't make it false either! Would have gave them time to dot their i's and cross their t's....get their story straight.




Trial? What trial? Trial by the media?

Excuse me, I mean his hearing. I think you know what I meant.



I am a fan of fair and unbiased media. Something the NYT is not. It is a sad day when folks will grab unto a false and misleading statements from a news hack who is trying to sell his work. Reporting is ok, but when the reporter adds his comment,judgement and omits the actual facts, its just wrong. Those of you who fall for it are, well, wrong too.

Again, there are plenty of other sources out there besides the NYT's of the same opinion. Do a google search and see what comes up. Notice I said opinion, because basically that's what it is on both sides. Sometimes "facts" are a funny thing, and can be spun by both sides as "facts" when in reality they are really biased opinions. Fact is, we will never agree on this so this is all really pointless. I just truly wonder what your stance would have been if you weren't FSU fans.
 
darn2ten":r36uxguu said:
She got into the cab with Winston after asking for permission from her girl fiend. Why? Ask her. The Judge at the FSU code of Conduct hearing didn't seem to think she was afraid of before or after she got into cab with Winston.

Not exactly what I meant. Just because she got into a cab with Winston doesn't mean she wasn't raped later. Plenty of women are raped who trust their attackers. I meant after the incident, after everybody turned on her for trying to out Winston. I'm sure it was pretty scary for her around campus having to watch her back.



Again from the article, " Yes, someone at the TPD tipped off FSU administrator Monk Bonasorte and he allowed Winston and Florida State to get out in front of the allegations. But that, in itself, does not make the allegations against Winston true."[\quote]

Sure don't make it false either! Would have gave them time to dot their i's and cross their t's....get their story straight.




Trial? What trial? Trial by the media?

Excuse me, I mean his hearing. I think you know what I meant.



I am a fan of fair and unbiased media. Something the NYT is not. It is a sad day when folks will grab unto a false and misleading statements from a news hack who is trying to sell his work. Reporting is ok, but when the reporter adds his comment,judgement and omits the actual facts, its just wrong. Those of you who fall for it are, well, wrong too.

Again, there are plenty of other sources out there besides the NYT's of the same opinion. Do a google search and see what comes up. Notice I said opinion, because basically that's what it is on both sides. Sometimes "facts" are a funny thing, and can be spun by both sides as "facts" when in reality they are really biased opinions. Fact is, we will never agree on this so this is all really pointless. I just truly wonder what your stance would have been if you weren't FSU fans.



the vast majority of rape victims are raped by someone they know and trust.
 
When Ms. made her sexual ballcry complaint to the TPD, she was taken to a
hospital for treatment and collection of evidence, including a rape kit examination. The
examination revealed the semen of two different individuals. An investigator interviewed
Ms. 0 and she could not identify her alleged assailant.
Over a month later, on January 10,2013, Ms. S identified Mr. Winston as the man
who allegedly assaulted her. Ms. identified Mr. Winston after she saw him in a class.
Ms. advised a FSU counselor that she and Mr. Winston shared a class and FSU
immediately offered Ms. the options of dropping the class or transferring to anotherclass, all without academic consequence. Ms. • 11 I declined both options because
Mr. Winston sat in the back of the class.
Jn January II, 2013, upon learning that her client's alleged attacker was projectod to be
FSU's stllrting quarterback, Ms. Carroll advisod the TPD that all future contact with
Ms. f 3 9 must be ffitered through her. Ms. Carroll gave FSU the same directive.

On January 24, 2014, Mr. Winston was interviewed by Dr. Jeanine Ward-Roof and
Rachel Bukanc as part of the Investigation. Ms. • 0 did file a Title IX complaint until or
around August 2014. Upon information and belief, she did not meet with Title IX investigators
until August 6, 2014.
Three Independent Investigations Have Rejected Ms. z 's Story
On December 5, 2013, State Attorney Willie Meggs announced that Mr. Wmston would
not be charged. Lack of evidentiary support, combined with Ms. 's conduct, resulted in
an objective investigation rejecting the False Allegation. The decision not to charge
Mr. Winston with rape was also influenced by significant lapses in Ms. 8 • 's memory and
the discovery of semen from two different men on Ms. 's shorts. Mr. Meggs said
Ms. "was not sure about a lot o(things" when she was interviewed about the alleged
rape.
The TPD also closod its investigation and concluded that "probable cause could not be
established given the coollicting statements between what the victim told her friends and what
was reported to the police."
In addition to the TPD and State Attorney's rejection of Ms.. I 's allegations, a
FSU adminisll'ative proceeding reached a consistent conclusion. On May 20,2014, FSU held the
Code of Conduct Hearings for Mr. Winston's roommates, Ronald Darby and Chris Casher, who
bad witnessed the consensual sexual encounter between Mr. Winston and Ms. Basod
on Ms. 's complaint against them, Mr. Casher was charged with a violation of the
student code of conduct because he recorded portions of the sexual encounter on his cell phone,
and Messrs. Casher and Darby were both charged with~~violation of the student code of conduct
for engaging in "conduct of a sexual nature that creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive
environment for another person."
Ms.. P used the media to defame Mr. Winston. On November 20, 2013, following
her apparent leak to the _JDedia earlier in the month, Ms. Carroll issued a statement identifYing
Mr. Winston as Ms. U b's alleged attacker and stated: "To be clear, the victim did not
consent. This was a rape." Despite the ongoing criminal investigation, Ms. Carroll had what she
considered to be the most compelling evidence of rape: she reportedly stated that the sex could
not have been consensual because Ms. • • would never sleep with a "black boy."
Presumably, Ms. Carroll was unaware that Ms. 8 a 's boyfriend at the time was also African
American

Ms. Carroll's attacks on the two criminal investigations were particularly egregious in
the fact that Ms. Carroll was concealing information. Ms. Carroll concealed
refused to identify and was reluctant to discuss her African American boyfriend with TPD and
State AttOrney inve-stigators. She also concealed that Ms. 1Js 0 's African American
boyfriend refused to cooperate with investigators. Ms. Carroll concealed that law enforcement
investigators had to force Ms. 's boyfriend to provide a DNA sample. Beyond the
impact on her initial outburst that Ms. would not have sex with a "black boy," this
information may have been concealed because there is evidentiary significance to the fact that a
man did not cooperate with a criminal investigation into his girlfriend's alleged rape.
Additionally, in direct conflic-t with her press conference, a source familiar with these
events advised the undersigned that when she learned that another "black boy" was the donor of
the other S<.'fllen sample, Ms. Carroll asked a female friend ofMs to lie and say that the
shorts Ms. 0 1 3 wore on the night of the alleged rape belonged to her rather than
Ms. )I) U. T
In February 2014, seven weeks after her press conference, Ms. Carroll met with the
undersigned. Ms. CarroU demanded $7,000,000 to settle Ms. • • 's potential claims against
FSU, the TPD, and Mr. Winston. Ms. Carroll stated, "Tf we settle, you will never hear from my
client or me again - In the oress or anywhere." Ms. Carrol) stated that Mr. Winston should pay
FSU's and the TPD's alleged portion of liability to avoid the public scrutiny of a trial at the time
be would be trying to begin hi.s NFL career. Ms. Carroll said that if Mr. Winston rejected the
settlement demand, she intended to bring in high profile "Colorado attorneys," whom she did not
identify.
The settlement demand was immediately rejected. Ms. Carroll was advised that
Mr. Winston would not assume FSU's and the TPD's alleged liability, be would vigorously
defend any claims against him, and he would assert his own claims against Ms. 0 and,
possibly, FSU and law enforcement for conducting their investigations in a manner that left room
to speculate that he had raped Ms .... Four days after their $7,000,000 settlement demand was rejected, the
Colorado attorneys appeared and falsely accused FSU of failing to follow the Title IX procedures
tba1 Ms. 8 S 3 bad been rejecting for two years.
 
baddnole":29f8z4xw said:
When Ms. made her sexual battery complaint to the TPD, she was taken to a
hospital for treatment and collection of evidence, including a rape kit examination. The
examination revealed the semen of two different individuals. An investigator interviewed
Ms. 0 and she could not identify her alleged assailant.
Over a month later, on January 10,2013, Ms. S identified Mr. Winston as the man
who allegedly assaulted her. Ms. identified Mr. Winston after she saw him in a class.
Ms. advised a FSU counselor that she and Mr. Winston shared a class and FSU
immediately offered Ms. the options of dropping the class or transferring to anotherclass, all without academic consequence. Ms. • 11 I declined both options because
Mr. Winston sat in the back of the class.
Jn January II, 2013, upon learning that her client's alleged attacker was projectod to be
FSU's stllrting quarterback, Ms. Carroll advisod the TPD that all future contact with
Ms. f 3 9 must be ffitered through her. Ms. Carroll gave FSU the same directive.

On January 24, 2014, Mr. Winston was interviewed by Dr. Jeanine Ward-Roof and
Rachel Bukanc as part of the Investigation. Ms. • 0 did file a Title IX complaint until or
around August 2014. Upon information and belief, she did not meet with Title IX investigators
until August 6, 2014.
Three Independent Investigations Have Rejected Ms. z 's Story
On December 5, 2013, State Attorney Willie Meggs announced that Mr. Wmston would
not be charged. Lack of evidentiary support, combined with Ms. 's conduct, resulted in
an objective investigation rejecting the False Allegation. The decision not to charge
Mr. Winston with rape was also influenced by significant lapses in Ms. 8 • 's memory and
the discovery of semen from two different men on Ms. 's shorts. Mr. Meggs said
Ms. "was not sure about a lot o(things" when she was interviewed about the alleged
rape.
The TPD also closod its investigation and concluded that "probable cause could not be
established given the coollicting statements between what the victim told her friends and what
was reported to the police."
In addition to the TPD and State Attorney's rejection of Ms.. I 's allegations, a
FSU adminisll'ative proceeding reached a consistent conclusion. On May 20,2014, FSU held the
Code of Conduct Hearings for Mr. Winston's roommates, Ronald Darby and Chris Casher, who
bad witnessed the consensual sexual encounter between Mr. Winston and Ms. Basod
on Ms. 's complaint against them, Mr. Casher was charged with a violation of the
student code of conduct because he recorded portions of the sexual encounter on his cell phone,
and Messrs. Casher and Darby were both charged with~~violation of the student code of conduct
for engaging in "conduct of a sexual nature that creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive
environment for another person."
Ms.. P used the media to defame Mr. Winston. On November 20, 2013, following
her apparent leak to the _JDedia earlier in the month, Ms. Carroll issued a statement identifYing
Mr. Winston as Ms. U b's alleged attacker and stated: "To be clear, the victim did not
consent. This was a rape." Despite the ongoing criminal investigation, Ms. Carroll had what she
considered to be the most compelling evidence of rape: she reportedly stated that the sex could
not have been consensual because Ms. • • would never sleep with a "black boy."
Presumably, Ms. Carroll was unaware that Ms. 8 a 's boyfriend at the time was also African
American

Ms. Carroll's attacks on the two criminal investigations were particularly egregious in
the fact that Ms. Carroll was concealing information. Ms. Carroll concealed
refused to identify and was reluctant to discuss her African American boyfriend with TPD and
State AttOrney inve-stigators. She also concealed that Ms. 1Js 0 's African American
boyfriend refused to cooperate with investigators. Ms. Carroll concealed that law enforcement
investigators had to force Ms. 's boyfriend to provide a DNA sample. Beyond the
impact on her initial outburst that Ms. would not have sex with a "black boy," this
information may have been concealed because there is evidentiary significance to the fact that a
man did not cooperate with a criminal investigation into his girlfriend's alleged rape.
Additionally, in direct conflic-t with her press conference, a source familiar with these
events advised the undersigned that when she learned that another "black boy" was the donor of
the other S<.'fllen sample, Ms. Carroll asked a female friend ofMs to lie and say that the
shorts Ms. 0 1 3 wore on the night of the alleged rape belonged to her rather than
Ms. )I) U. T
In February 2014, seven weeks after her press conference, Ms. Carroll met with the
undersigned. Ms. CarroU demanded $7,000,000 to settle Ms. • • 's potential claims against
FSU, the TPD, and Mr. Winston. Ms. Carroll stated, "Tf we settle, you will never hear from my
client or me again - In the oress or anywhere." Ms. Carrol) stated that Mr. Winston should pay
FSU's and the TPD's alleged portion of liability to avoid the public scrutiny of a trial at the time
be would be trying to begin hi.s NFL career. Ms. Carroll said that if Mr. Winston rejected the
settlement demand, she intended to bring in high profile "Colorado attorneys," whom she did not
identify.
The settlement demand was immediately rejected. Ms. Carroll was advised that
Mr. Winston would not assume FSU's and the TPD's alleged liability, be would vigorously
defend any claims against him, and he would assert his own claims against Ms. 0 and,
possibly, FSU and law enforcement for conducting their investigations in a manner that left room
to speculate that he had raped Ms .... Four days after their $7,000,000 settlement demand was rejected, the
Colorado attorneys appeared and falsely accused FSU of failing to follow the Title IX procedures
tba1 Ms. 8 S 3 bad been rejecting for two years.



I'm sure you won't mind but I will post no more on this matter. Only the truth has been posted. Make up anything you want. It's sad but FSU will probably settle on this matter without a hearing ,just to get rid of her.Now all Floridians will have to pay this blackmail. She will get her 200,000 and pay her att. .
 
redblood":3158vnl2 said:
the vast majority of rape victims are raped by someone they know and trust.

This, while true, has no place in this conversation. Including it in defense of the accusers actions further fuels the many misconceptions in this matter. Jameis Winston was neither someone the accuser knew or could possibly trust. Winston, however, was a classmate in one of her classes but according her sworn testimony, never associated with Winston.
 
darn2ten":29c2k2ag said:
She got into the cab with Winston after asking for permission from her girl fiend. Why? Ask her. The Judge at the FSU code of Conduct hearing didn't seem to think she was afraid of before or after she got into cab with Winston.

Not exactly what I meant. Just because she got into a cab with Winston doesn't mean she wasn't raped later. Plenty of women are raped who trust their attackers. I meant after the incident, after everybody turned on her for trying to out Winston. I'm sure it was pretty scary for her around campus having to watch her back.
Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant but since you clarified your statement, let me clarify mine. The premise that she could of fearful of repercussions from her actions (assuming repercussions would come from everybody which I doubt and you have no proof) is ridiculous. She left school long before her name was released. The only people who would have known at that point would have been her friends. She was afraid of her friends?

Its pretty hard to watch your back on campus when you are not actually on campus.
 
Here's a quote from a CNN piece, notice it's not ESPN.

"The woman's family has said a detective warned her attorney that Tallahassee is a "big football town" and her life could be miserable if she pursued the case."


"He didn't need to tweet out anything," said Brown, who has been involved with numerous high-profile sexual assault cases involving athletes. "He could have just said due process. A defense attorney taking to Twitter is about as reckless as their defendants taking to Twitter. Anybody who knows about rabid fanbases like Florida State knows that any time you call out someone like that and put her name out there, you are basically throwing her to the wolves in hopes she backs down. You are basically hoping she drops everything."

I've read before how not long after she reported the rape that her name was being spread through the student population on campus. I mean do you really think that would be a stretch or hard to believe. To not believe that she had major pressure on her to drop and not pursue the case would be unrealistic much less ridiculous like you put it.
 
darn2ten":2e145rj6 said:
Here's a quote from a CNN piece, notice it's not ESPN.

"The woman's family has said a detective warned her attorney that Tallahassee is a "big football town" and her life could be miserable if she pursued the case."


"He didn't need to tweet out anything," said Brown, who has been involved with numerous high-profile sexual assault cases involving athletes. "He could have just said due process. A defense attorney taking to Twitter is about as reckless as their defendants taking to Twitter. Anybody who knows about rabid fanbases like Florida State knows that any time you call out someone like that and put her name out there, you are basically throwing her to the wolves in hopes she backs down. You are basically hoping she drops everything."

I've read before how not long after she reported the rape that her name was being spread through the student population on campus. I mean do you really think that would be a stretch or hard to believe. To not believe that she had major pressure on her to drop and not pursue the case would be unrealistic much less ridiculous like you put it.

Was this a recent cnn article? Establishing a time line is important. It is important to put things supposedly said in timely perspective. Won't you agree? I will, for the sake of uninterrupted dialogue assume it was a recent ccn article and the comments attributed to Mr Brown are current.

First, and since you make a point of mentioning it, I put cnn in the same category as espn, biased and trying sell news real or made up. I take things either say with a gain of salt. I don't suppose they mentioned the name of the detective involved did they?

Second, the family has a vested interest in this matter, money. So does the Attorney Brown, of course he will bring it up now that his client is involved in a fed lawsuit. It called trying to stack the deck. Sorry, that horse has already left the barn.

Third, nope. Not hard to believe at all. But, her name was not by released publicly by the authorities, none of them, despite numerous requests from the press, until the States Attorney decided there was not enough evidence to bring charges. At this point, there was no legal reason not to release her identity .

I should add, the university's victim advocates were at the accusers side within hours of the encounter and continued meeting with or contacting her or her representatives at least 30 times over the ensuing year. Besides offering emotional support and arranging numerous academic accommodations on her behalf, they informed the accuser and her attorney five times about the right to pursue a student disciplinary action. The first was in December 2012 -- before the athletics department ever became aware of the allegation -- and the last was in December 2013. ... its now January 2015. Please note that the university's victim advocates were available to the accuser long before and long after Winston was named.

Apparently the major pressure you cite did not exist for over a year as she did not avail herself of the support offered to her. Nor did her attorney, Mr Brown, bother to publicly acknowledge, until now I assume, his client was afraid or felt threatened.
 

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