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LBL loses lawsuit.

TLRanger said:
How much impact will this have on the Deer and Turkey?
In the near term, very little.

In the longterm, despite the relatively small acreage of crops and fields vs. woodlands, eliminating fields will signifcantly reduce wildlife food supplies as well as habitat and food supply diversity.

But let's look as some other consequences of eliminating farmed fields and fields in general (as I understand it, the plan is for all fields to generate into forests).

As fields become overgrown and start becoming "forests", there will be a reduction in public usage of LBL, as many people have enjoyed this area for wildlife viewing --- whether as riding bicycles, horses, hiking, or just driving around the area --- take the fields out and relatively little wildlife can be "viewed" by the public. This means less public funding. This also means it's easier to make the case for "wilderness" areas in which most forms of "recreation" would cease.

This is not just a "deer & turkey" and/or a "hunting" issue. It is also a "funding" issue. People pay to utilize and recreate on LBL. Even the farming brought in tens of thousands of dollars annually to help "manage" LBL. Over time, without the opportunity to view wildlife in fields, there will be fewer people purchasing those LBL User Permits. With less funding coming from users, more funding will be needed directly from the federal government, giving both the government and outside extremist groups yet more leverage in what ultimately happens to LBL.

TLRanger said:
Hopefully, the USDA will be allowed to plant all these field in native grasses and manage them by burning or however they are supposed to be managed.
This may happen (or may not) in the near term, but the goal of these "environmental" extremists is to convert everything to old growth forests.

TLRanger said:
Besides, I think forest management is far more important than the farming.
Within LBL, I totally agree: Proper forest management would provide far more benefits to the wildlife than has the current farming.

Problem is, these environmental extremists want old growth forests, i.e. no tree cutting, no fields. LBL would become 170,000 acres of a single habitat, rather than a well managed diversified forest for wildlife.
 
Wes Parrish said:
Over time, without the opportunity to view wildlife in fields, there will be fewer people purchasing those LBL User Permits.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought hunters and back country campers were the only ones that had to buy the user permits.
 
last fall on the quota gun hunt I was talking with one of the rangers there. I had noticed a new gate up at the south end of the "connector trail" to the N/S trail in area 15. I asked the ranger about it and he said they had "found" some plants right around the place where the connector trail connects to the N/S trail that are on the endangered species list.


Sooooooo what's next - I'm betting that at some point Area 15 will be CLOSED!
 
TLRanger said:
Wes Parrish said:
Over time, without the opportunity to view wildlife in fields, there will be fewer people purchasing those LBL User Permits.

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought hunters and back country campers were the only ones that had to buy the user permits.

I should have said all the various LBL user permits instead of the LBL User Permits. Most notebly are the fees LBL collects from the campgrounds, where the great opportunities to view wildlife is a big reason many are camping at LBL. Not to mention, driving around viewing the wildlife prompts many to come back to camp, come back to hunt (purchasing those LBL User Permits).

TLRanger said:
LBL's long range forest management plan:(delete the farming)

http://lbl.org/NRMForestryOpenLands.html
I love LBL's long range forest management plan as it HAS been stated. Obviously, they haven't updated their website recently. In the meantime I believe LBL's habitat management of the past couple years has been the best overall in the entire history of LBL --- unfortunately, much of what we both like about how the plan has been will probably not happen in the future.
 
Wes.........I also really like the LRMP. Let us hope they get to implement it. Right now they are select cutting a large area behind the old buffalo range in Area 11.

I am leery about the Oaks and Grasslands part in Area 12. It will benefit the wildlife but I have this fear they will stop hunting area or at least the camping. You know the tourist/wildlife watchers don't like to see hunters or campers while they ride around in their air conditioned cars looking for deer and other wildlife. That is exactly what got the camping stopped along the Trace and Fort Henry Road.

Remember the old days when the permits were free?
 
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