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Coker said:
I'm on a lease with 22 other members. We have an antler size rule on bucks but no rules on button bucks. The majority of the hunters know the difference between a doe and button buck, but an occasional mistake does happen.
At the beginning of each year, we pay our dues and sign all the needed paperwork. Therefore, everybody is in agreement.
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Wow that's a lot of people how many acres?
 
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deerhunter10 said:
Maybe I read it wrong or im remembering wrong. But I could have swore 4 of 5 years ago they said a buck is a buck they got rid of the 3 inch antler rule for a year.
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2016 if I'm not mistaken. Was the rule change for 1 or 2 years. Antlers protuding out of the hair line. Buttons were still considered antlerless if i remember right,but that's the rule change I was referring to. Regardless I like the rule. A tiny spike can easily be mistaken as a doe and if your tagged out will create problems.
 
rem270 said:
I wouldn't try and change anything mid year but maybe next year set some ground rules. If he doesn't want to follow them then he can go somewhere else. I judge a deer when it walks out by its head/nose. I can tell real quick just by its head if it's a yearling or older/bigger doe.

I could see a couple 2 or 3 since you said he's a newbie but he needs to learn as he goes to differ between a button and a doe.
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Get together and chip in to buy him some binos and like Dustin said set the rules next year about buttons but everyone play by the same rules. I was president over ours we had in Lewis and then Van Burean ....it's not fun men can tend to act like two year olds.
 
If he's on a lease with others he needs to play by everyone's established rules and goals. As for him shooting button bucks, unless you have several thousand acres it's not going to hurt your lease. Those button bucks will disperse on average 2 or more miles away once does kick them off. Your neighbors miles away have a much higher effect on your bucks as most were born on other properties. No saying you should intentionally shoot them but try to not worry too much over it.
 
medic said:
Yes, argument was it is easier to use a point system than size. A big difference between a 140" and a 170", not so much for two 8 point bucks with just inches difference in size.
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I definitely get it. And someone shooting a much bigger one than their first wouldn't have any issue paying the fine. I surely wouldn't.
 
In the end they are just deer. They can all be in a pile in a creek next year from blue tongue just the same as they could grow up. Just because you don't shoot him at a button means he's gonna stay on that farm and grow to a "shooter." If you ain't got rules you ain't got anything to stand on if he's paying his part the same as everyone else.
 
wcw280 said:
In the end they are just deer. They can all be in a pile in a creek next year from blue tongue just the same as they could grow up. Just because you don't shoot him at a button means he's gonna stay on that farm and grow to a "shooter." If you ain't got rules you ain't got anything to stand on if he's paying his part the same as everyone else.
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Yeah true. Just bothers me because we have a bad imbalance right now. That's one less doe he will shoot and one less buck...
 
That stuff never really bothered me to be honest. Do I try not to shoot buttons. Yes absolutely but every now and then it still happens. Once you've witnessed a real EHD kill you learn what too many deer in one spot means. It's just a deer. No more no less. As long as he's eating it and paying his part man he's just hunting. When I bring someone on my farm I tell them if it makes you happy you can shoot it. I find it takes a lot of fun out of hunting when you got 1000 trail cam pics of bucks and three of them are shooters two are maybes and this and that. You go to the stand and are more worried about shooting the wrong deer than actually enjoying the hunt. I own my own place and I let a lot more deer walk now than I used to. I enjoy watching em, but I also understand I only control a tiny portion of a tiny population and just because I let one walk doesn't mean I get to watch him grow up. Just means he doesn't die today. In the grand scheme nature is in control we are out there just visiting. Hunt for you not for everyone else and he should do the same. If yall set rules next year and he don't like em he can walk simple as that. Just my 2 cents.
 
If shooting button bucks doesnt fit your leases management plan and goals, and obviously it doesnt, then set rules for next year and discuss management plan and goals. Letting deer walk, watching deer grow year to year and not shooting at every opportunity, isnt for everybody and thats ok. But if your lease has a plan to manage for an older age class, more balanced deer herd, then set the guidlines for members to follow and if they dont like the new guidelines they can choose to hunt somewhere else...as for fines...if your lease allows two bucks....then count the button buck as one of their two bucks for the year...that will likely give them pause before pulling the trigger.
 
wcw280 said:
That stuff never really bothered me to be honest. Do I try not to shoot buttons. Yes absolutely but every now and then it still happens. Once you've witnessed a real EHD kill you learn what too many deer in one spot means. It's just a deer. No more no less. As long as he's eating it and paying his part man he's just hunting. When I bring someone on my farm I tell them if it makes you happy you can shoot it. I find it takes a lot of fun out of hunting when you got 1000 trail cam pics of bucks and three of them are shooters two are maybes and this and that. You go to the stand and are more worried about shooting the wrong deer than actually enjoying the hunt. I own my own place and I let a lot more deer walk now than I used to. I enjoy watching em, but I also understand I only control a tiny portion of a tiny population and just because I let one walk doesn't mean I get to watch him grow up. Just means he doesn't die today. In the grand scheme nature is in control we are out there just visiting. Hunt for you not for everyone else and he should do the same. If yall set rules next year and he don't like em he can walk simple as that. Just my 2 cents.
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Well said!
 

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