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US Army officer charged for illegally hunting on HSAAP property

KINGSPORT, Tenn. (WJHL) — A high-ranking field officer at Holston Army Ammunition Plant (HSAAP) faces several charges after the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA) accused him of illegally s…
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@Omega and @Rakkin6 and others, I hope you guys will be as pissed off at this as I am. The bad part is he apparently did the same type of stuff in Kentucky, and he's too smart to play the dumb ignorant card. Would appreciate everyone spreading this to all of your military buds, especially the active-duty folks. Let's light this chump up and make him famous for all the wrong reasons!

My brother and I have hunted this property (on a draw basis) off and on since they first opened it to hunting in the early 1980s. The installation was created during World War II and had never been legally hunted for at least 40 years until the early 1980s. There are some monster bucks on that property, so I take this very thing extremely personal. As far as I'm concerned, this jackass stole from all of us.

If this officer cannot be trusted to follow simple game laws, how can he be trusted in command of anything military or otherwise?
 

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utvolsfan77 said:
www.wjhl.com

US Army officer charged for illegally hunting on HSAAP property

KINGSPORT, Tenn. (WJHL) — A high-ranking field officer at Holston Army Ammunition Plant (HSAAP) faces several charges after the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA) accused him of illegally s…
www.wjhl.com www.wjhl.com

@Omega and @Rakkin6 and others, you guys will probably be as pissed off at this as I am. The bad part is he apparently did the same type of stuff in Kentucky, and he's too smart to play the dumb ignorant card. Would appreciate everyone spreading this to all of your military buds, especially the active-duty folks. Let's light this chump up and make him famous for all the wrong reasons!
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"......News Channel 11 reached out to the Joint Munitions Commands (JMC), which oversees HSAAP. A spokesperson said they are aware of the charges, and JMC does not plan to take disciplinary actions against the commander and two other employees......"

😲 :mad:
 
Bambi Buster said:
"......News Channel 11 reached out to the Joint Munitions Commands (JMC), which oversees HSAAP. A spokesperson said they are aware of the charges, and JMC does not plan to take disciplinary actions against the commander and two other employees......"

😲 :mad:
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Bambi, I edited my original post. Check out these pics from 2015. My damn blood pressure is through the roof over this jackass!
 
There is some monsters in there for sure I've hunted it before. Getting off free it looks like. Status and or money or both and you can literally do anything you want. As long as you brush arms with the right people. Who isn't absolutely sick of this kind of impunity. Friends something has to change. Other than some kind of civil you know what. Nothing will ever change. And even if it comes to that. It'll just be us no bodies fighting while the untouchables stay that way. When all is said and done.
 
Bambi Buster said:
"......News Channel 11 reached out to the Joint Munitions Commands (JMC), which oversees HSAAP. A spokesperson said they are aware of the charges, and JMC does not plan to take disciplinary actions against the commander and two other employees......"

😲 :mad:
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@Bambi Buster aren't you in the Kingsport area? Any chance you could drop this off to Harshberger's office to bring attention to this?
 
Omega said:
Isn't this a federal charge since it happened on federal property?
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Not if the feds refuse to make charges,
which they have already stated they are not.

Just one more example of the lawless state of our supposed "leaders" in seemingly every aspect of government & government related bureaucracies.

Kudos to TWRA for charging this poacher,
although their charges are trivial to what he should face from the feds.
I give them credit for doing all they can about this within reason.
 
TheLBLman said:
Not if the feds refuse to make charges,
which they have already stated they are not.

Just one more example of the lawless state of our supposed "leaders" in seemingly every aspect of government & government related bureaucracies.

Kudos to TWRA for charging this poacher,
although their charges are trivial to what he should face from the feds.
I give them credit for doing all they can about this within reason.
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Maybe the IG needs to do a little looking into the command not enforcing the UCMJ or federal law.
 
I'll play devil's advocate here. Every U.S. military installation has a unit dedicated to controlling wildlife, and said unit takes ultimate direction from the commander. This "poacher" in question IS the commander himself, as in the guy who makes the rules. Seeing as how fed rule on a military installation trumps local & state law, I'm betting this case gets tossed out of court within the first five minutes of the first day of hearing.

I've spent my entire adult life on and/or closely affiliated with military installations, and have at times been given the opportunity to hunt an animal. Local &/or state laws do not apply. The goal is to rid an animal or number of animals for the purpose of wildlife population control. It has to be done as part of facility management. If the base in question had to rid a certain number of deer, it would likely either be contracted out to a local pest control business, or the base would have its own in house unit assigned to the job. Either way, inviting the boss(commander) along for a "hunt" is pretty common kiss assery. It's also common for the commander to award hunts to troops or other personnel who have been performing well. If it's a hunt to control deer population, it doesn't matter if the hunter takes a doe fawn or an 11-point buck. It's a deer and counts toward the tally. If any of you were on one of these "hunts", which deer would you pick to shoot?

Given that it was a crossbow fired from inside a truck, on a munitions storage facility, it sounds a whole lot like one of the hunts I just described and as such is well within the commander's authority. Using a crossbow fired from inside the vehicle is the safest, most secure way of performing the task without risking a munitions accident. The feds not charging him is another strong indication that this guy was not out of bounds. Nobody at the top wants the bad publicity of a rogue commanding officer ruffling local feathers. He'd have been dealt with swiftly if he were wrong, more than likely immediately relieved of duty. The story as written just doesn't make sense to me, so I'll reserve my feelings until I find out the final outcome. There just aren't enough details in the article for me to pre-judge. If the guy is guilty then he's made a disgraceful error and should be held accountable. But if he's acting within the confines of his authority, then TWRA and that local paper owe him an enormous apology.
 
Ski said:
If it's a hunt to control deer population, it doesn't matter if the hunter takes a doe fawn or an 11-point buck. It's a deer and counts toward the tally. If any of you were on one of these "hunts", which deer would you pick to shoot?
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Actually, it DOES MATTER!
In fact, on the "public" hunts there, they MANDATE you kill a doe first,
to "earn" your buck tag.

Of course, such rules would only apply to a lowly citizen or a lowly enlisted person,
never to someone with rank or some special class of politics?

Want to bet none of the deer this poacher killed were female deer?

Ski said:
There just aren't enough details in the article for me to pre-judge. If the guy is guilty then he's made a disgraceful error and should be held accountable. But if he's acting within the confines of his authority, then TWRA and that local paper owe him an enormous apology.
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I agree to there being lots of missing information from the stories (as in plural).

But as to some of the allegations (again, as in plural, multiple allegations), seems he purposefully violated the same laws that would cause most people significant legal grief. For example, he killed a buck in Kentucky, but checked it in as a TN killed buck. What does that offense have to do with with being a high-ranking military person?
None?
 
Andy S. said:
It is interesting to me that State of TN (TWRA) issued the citation, instead of DOI (USFWS). Is that typical for DoD installations?
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It's typical for a anyone who kills a buck in KY, then checks that buck in as a TN killed buck.

Once he proactively "checked in" the kill with TWRA, it became a TWRA issue, when it was later discovered the buck checked in was killed in another state.
 

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