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Anyone elses good mature bucks completely fall off the landscape? I usually pick them back up in January after the shooting stopped. This year they seem to be missing from my after season survey.
 
I have had a couple show back up. I do not have food plots on these properties and will run a feeder or feeding blocks with high protein content after season. Due to lack of food in the area at this time of year I can draw a good amount of deer in to see what made it through the season. I will usually run the feeders till spring when more natural food source become available.

I did have one buck show back up that I had not had any pictures of since August and he was almost a mile from where I had a picture of him then.
 
We usually hold the older bucks through peak breeding (mid-November) and then they vanish due to our hunting pressure. However, this year was unique. Many of them vanished in early November but then returned in late November. Have several theories why, but don't know if those are correct or not.
 
Anyone elses good mature bucks completely fall off the landscape? I usually pick them back up in January after the shooting stopped. This year they seem to be missing from my after season survey.
I wish I was able to participate and not just live vicariously through this thread...lol...Lost my lease and have a dozen cams looking longingly at me from a box...lol
 
We usually hold the older bucks through peak breeding (mid-November) and then they vanish due to our hunting pressure. However, this year was unique. Many of them vanished in early November but then returned in late November. Have several theories why, but don't know if those are correct or not.

Ours always vanish soon as the first doe comes in and don't reappear to mid December and usually January right after season goes out...
 
It's been one of the strangest years I can remember for mature buck movement and buck sign in general. I have a handful of historical scrapes that in years past would pick up every big deer in the area, this year they were void of any activity at all. Big rubs were minimal in number. My best daytime movement for mature bucks was Oct15-18 according to my cameras!??! Yesterday I glassed a bachelor group feeding in a briar thicket up in some nasty terrain and 2 of the 3 were already dropped on one side….
 
It's been one of the strangest years I can remember for mature buck movement and buck sign in general. I have a handful of historical scrapes that in years past would pick up every big deer in the area, this year they were void of any activity at all.
I have one particular traditional scrape - out on the end of a point - that in a good acorn year will be the hottest scrape on the property. I will get every buck using that end of my property at the scrape. However, in an acorn failure year, like this year and 2022, that scrape is as dead as a hammer.

Yesterday I glassed a bachelor group feeding in a briar thicket up in some nasty terrain and 2 of the 3 were already dropped on one side….
I've never seen such a rapid and early antler drop as what I saw on my place this year. The severe late summer and fall drought, followed by an acorn failure, really took their toll nutritionally. In addition, rut stress appears to be a growing problem. Most of the older bucks were all beat up by the end of the rut, with many older bucks limping on a front leg. I started seeing antlers dropping on Jan 6, and by the time I took the cameras down on Jan 9, most of the older bucks had already lost one if not both of their antlers. Normally they hold on until late February into mid-March.
 
There is one thing that is constant with deer, once you think you have it figured out something changes. I'm sure they are there, probably nothing to worry about
 
@BSK in my mind a more intense rut with bucks that are fighting that way would equal more sign due to them being so territorial. Clearly that didn't happen from my observations. Why is that? Just because of the drought and the lack of food?
 
@BSK in my mind a more intense rut with bucks that are fighting that way would equal more sign due to them being so territorial. Clearly that didn't happen from my observations. Why is that? Just because of the drought and the lack of food?
In the areas hit hardest by the drought and also experienced an acorn failure, it all comes down to "extra" nutrition. Numerous studies have shown that buck sign-making is both a factor of herd dynamics and individual buck health. When bucks have a lot of extra energy to burn, they will make a lot of sign. When they have less extra energy to burn, they greatly reduce their sign-making. For this reason, in an acorn-driven herd, other than herd dynamics (which generally don't change drastically from year to year), buck sign-making is a function of the acorn crop. Big acorn crop, lots of sign. Poor acorn crop, much less sign.
 
tree_ghost,

Years ago, I set up and ran a study on my place looking at the number and location of rubs on the property each year. The study was run by creating a series of "survey lines" across the property. These were developed by generating random starting locations, as well as travel directions and distances. I permanently marked these survey lines with stakes and flagging tape so we could use the same lines year after year. Each year, well after the season and rut were over (usually mid-February), we would walk these survey lines and measure and record every rub we found that was within 10 meters of the survey line. We would record a number of characteristics of each rub, such as the diameter of the rubbed tree, species of tree, height of the top and bottom of the rub, and the habitat and terrain the rub was in. Basically, these survey lines and the area 10 meters either side became long, narrow sample surveys of rubs on the property. From this, we could calculate rub densities by habitat type and terrain type, as well as the average rub density for the entire property for each year of the survey.

At first, I was comparing these annual rub density numbers to herd dynamics data generated from hunter observation data, but not long into the study I was able to compare against more accurate photo census generated herd dynamics numbers. As a general rule, differences in rub densities from year to year could be attributed to changes in annual herd dynamics. However, there were a couple of "fluke" years that just didn't match that pattern. It was only later, when playing around with the data, that I realized acorn crops were also playing a big role. In essence, when comparing years with similar acorn crops, herd dynamics differences would explain differences in rub densities. But when comparing years where the herd dynamics were the same, it was acorn crops that were driving differences in rub densities. In fact, extreme differences in acorn crops produced extreme variations in rub densities, even more so than herd dynamics.

So the take-away from this study was, yes herd dynamics are a strong player in buck rubbing activity, but extreme variations in acorn crops can be a much bigger player in rubbing behavior than herd dynamics.
 
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It's been one of the strangest years I can remember for mature buck movement and buck sign in general. I have a handful of historical scrapes that in years past would pick up every big deer in the area, this year they were void of any activity at all. Big rubs were minimal in number. My best daytime movement for mature bucks was Oct15-18 according to my cameras!??! Yesterday I glassed a bachelor group feeding in a briar thicket up in some nasty terrain and 2 of the 3 were already dropped on one side….
This is exactly what I saw this season hunting Rutherford and Davidson counties. I always transition all of my cams to really active historical scrapes by the first week of October and they were all universally very dead compared to the previous 6 years ive been hunting here. A few of them didn't even open up this year.
 
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