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I just can't talk myself into taking those cameras off scrapes 🤣 - they are just so productive.
You said a mouthful there. Too often I'll find a hot new scrape and then agonize over whether I should move a camera off a known traditional scrape to see who is using this new one.
 
...for me very late October...last few days...it's definitely the beginning of the bell curve of day time opportunity...with the bell curve going downward third week of November
We see two distinct patterns in scrape initiation on my place. In a poor acorn year, it doesn't explode until early November, just around the opener of MZ (depending upon the date of opening day that year). But in a good acorn year, we see a massive surge of scraping in late October. Kills me not to be able to hunt then. Yeah, I know. I could take back up bow-hunting. But that will never happen!
 
Yeah, I know. I could take back up bow-hunting. But that will never happen!
Not my cup of tea, but X-bows are now deadly to 50+ yards in the right hands. With your average shot in the hardwoods being 35 yards, it might be something to ponder, if you really have a burning desire to hunt late October.
 
You said a mouthful there. Too often I'll find a hot new scrape and then agonize over whether I should move a camera off a known traditional scrape to see who is using this new one.
Some of the most interesting black flash trail camera data I collected at Ames, was individual cameras on two different scrapes, that were literally 25-50 feet apart (essentially right beside each other in the big picture). More times than not, I would get completely different bucks on the cameras, with a few bucks messing with both scrapes, thus on both cameras. Don't ask me what that means, it just left me scratching my head. After I had it happen the first time, myself and my closest bud starting placing two cameras on nearby scrapes more often just to see, and sure enough, we'd get completely different bucks on scrapes that were less than 50 feet apart.
 
Some of the most interesting black flash trail camera data I collected at Ames, was individual cameras on two different scrapes, that were literally 25-50 feet apart (essentially right beside each other in the big picture). More times than not, I would get completely different bucks on the cameras, with a few bucks messing with both scrapes, thus on both cameras. Don't ask me what that means, it just left me scratching my head. After I had it happen the first time, myself and my closest bud starting placing two cameras on nearby scrapes more often just to see, and sure enough, we'd get completely different bucks on scrapes that were less than 50 feet apart.

Ha! I've noticed that exact thing and cannot for the life of me figure it out. I can't even begin to reason with why one buck prefers this scrape while another buck prefers the scrape 15ft away. Seems there are certain scrapes that some of the bucks will hit, other scrapes that the other bucks will hit, and a few community scrapes that every deer will hit. You'd think a scrape is a scrape is a scrape. Apparently it's not.
 
Some of the most interesting black flash trail camera data I collected at Ames, was individual cameras on two different scrapes, that were literally 25-50 feet apart (essentially right beside each other in the big picture). More times than not, I would get completely different bucks on the cameras, with a few bucks messing with both scrapes, thus on both cameras. Don't ask me what that means, it just left me scratching my head. After I had it happen the first time, myself and my closest bud starting placing two cameras on nearby scrapes more often just to see, and sure enough, we'd get completely different bucks on scrapes that were less than 50 feet apart.
This situation was first documented by a doctorial student at UGA quite a few years ago. She was doing a study on buck scrape usage and put cameras on the first and last scrape of a long scrape-line. For any experienced observer, the scrape line looked like a line of scrapes being maintained by one buck, as each scrape was in view of the last. Yet the student found almost completely separate sets of bucks using the scrapes at either end of the scrape-line. That research project has always stuck in my head as I set up cameras. I never assume the same bucks are using a line of scrapes along a ridge-line, hence I often place cameras on different scrapes along the line. One isn't necessarily covering it.
 
This situation was first documented by a doctorial student at UGA quite a few years ago. She was doing a study on buck scrape usage and put cameras on the first and last scrape of a long scrape-line. For any experienced observer, the scrape line looked like a line of scrapes being maintained by one buck, as each scrape was in view of the last. Yet the student found almost completely separate sets of bucks using the scrapes at either end of the scrape-line. That research project has always stuck in my head as I set up cameras. I never assume the same bucks are using a line of scrapes along a ridge-line, hence I often place cameras on different scrapes along the line. One isn't necessarily covering it.

Do you find that bucks cruise along a ridge/scrape line in linear fashion? Or cross over to intersect it a certain points. What looks like a "scrape line" might not be a line of travel at all???
 
I absolutely agree with this statement....but I'll admit that I have got to improve on my data keeping....I have older notes on paper, notes on phone, some pics stored on desktop computer, some pics on tablet, several pics saved on phone....so I have notes and data....I've just got to find better ways to manage it.....I've honestly considered buying a laptop that's dedicated to nothing but wildlife and land management....having one place to store everything.

@DoubleRidge @Ski @BSK this is just a suggestion. Don't buy a new computer. Instead, take the money you would have spent on a laptop and buy an external 2 terabyte to 4 terabyte USB drive to store ALL of your deer observation data on. An added benefit is you have a physical separation between your computer (Desktop, laptop or tablet) and your data. This will protect you not only from a virus, but from catastrophic hardware failures as well. Plus, the unit is mobile, and you can move it between multiple computers. ONLY connect it to your computer when reviewing data, editing data, or adding new data. When finished, unplug it from computer and electrical outlet and store in a safe place. Price of these drives have come down quite a lot in past few years, and you can get several Western Digital models for $100 or less.

Here is one example: Amazon product ASIN B07VTW2LPX
 
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@DoubleRidge @Ski @BSK this is just a suggestion. Don't buy a new computer. Instead, take the money you would have spent on a laptop and buy an external 2 terabyte to 4 terabyte USB drive to store ALL of your deer observation data on. An added benefit is you have a physical separation between your computer (Desktop, laptop or tablet) and your data. This will protect you not only from a virus, but from catastrophic hardware failures as well. Plus, the unit is mobile, and you can move it between multiple computers. ONLY connect it to your computer when reviewing data, editing data, or adding new data. When finished, unplug it from computer and electrical outlet and store is safe place. Price of these drives have come down a lot in past few years, and you can get a Western Digital unit for $100 or less.

Here is one example: Amazon product ASIN B07VTW2LPX

Great idea....in addition...I like the idea of having everything backed up on a separate drive....we have an external drive at work we use to archive records....never considered using one for trail cam pics and deer note storage/backup.....and like you mentioned... storage space is so much more affordable now.
 
Do you find that bucks cruise along a ridge/scrape line in linear fashion? Or cross over to intersect it a certain points. What looks like a "scrape line" might not be a line of travel at all???
You're dead on the money. Often, "scrapes along a ridge-line" are being worked by bucks crossing the ridge perpendicularly.
 
@DoubleRidge @Ski @BSK this is just a suggestion. Don't buy a new computer. Instead, take the money you would have spent on a laptop and buy an external 2 terabyte to 4 terabyte USB drive to store ALL of your deer observation data on. An added benefit is you have a physical separation between your computer (Desktop, laptop or tablet) and your data. This will protect you not only from a virus, but from catastrophic hardware failures as well. Plus, the unit is mobile, and you can move it between multiple computers. ONLY connect it to your computer when reviewing data, editing data, or adding new data. When finished, unplug it from computer and electrical outlet and store is safe place. Price of these drives have come down a lot in past few years, and you can get a Western Digital unit for $100 or less.

Here is one example: Amazon product ASIN B07VTW2LPX

That's a great suggestion. Thank you for the idea. My wife uses those things all the time for storing work files. Never occurred to me to use it for deer hunting. I suppose I should organize it all and get it done!
 
You're dead on the money. Often, "scrapes along a ridge-line" are being worked by bucks crossing the ridge perpendicularly.

That would help explain why certain bucks hit certain scrapes. A buck isn't necessarily ignoring or bypassing a scrape. It just may not be in his particular line of travel. But when we hunters see a line of scrapes that look like bread crumbs, we automatically assume it's one big buck tending every scrape. Then we scratch our heads when we hang a stand to catch a buck cruising that line but it never happens.
 
That's a great suggestion. Thank you for the idea. My wife uses those things all the time for storing work files. Never occurred to me to use it for deer hunting. I suppose I should organize it all and get it done!
You're very welcome. I've been doing that nearly 15 years, but I no longer keep the detailed records that you fellows do. That is the cheapest and fastest way I know to accomplish what you guys want to do.
 
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That would help explain why certain bucks hit certain scrapes. A buck isn't necessarily ignoring or bypassing a scrape. It just may not be in his particular line of travel. But when we hunters see a line of scrapes that look like bread crumbs, we automatically assume it's one big buck tending every scrape. Then we scratch our heads when we hang a stand to catch a buck cruising that line but it never happens.
I wrote off "scrape lines" many years ago. Our place has an incredible amount of terrain features. Not flat, not mountainous, just rolling primary and secondary ridges. I'm being honest when I say this, I don't really see any correlation to "scrape lines" with any particular buck and never really have. I just know the best spots that intersect and attract the majority of bucks. Sure, there are rub lines and scrape lines, but I mostly think they make them at random. Certain spots, however, in key terrain features and funnels really do have a meaning and attract most all the bucks in that particular area and a few roamers that just happen to travel through due to its uniqueness in terrain.
 
Do you find that bucks cruise along a ridge/scrape line in linear fashion? Or cross over to intersect it a certain points. What looks like a "scrape line" might not be a line of travel at all???
I see far more bucks simply "crossing" the ridgeline than walking along it.
They do often travel the ridgeline, but seldom along the top, more often along the side.

What often appears to be a ridgetop scrape line may more often be scrapes made by bucks crossing the ridgeline, explaining why different bucks are seen only at different ridgetop scrapes, even when those scrapes may be close to each other.
 
@DoubleRidge @Ski @BSK this is just a suggestion. Don't buy a new computer. Instead, take the money you would have spent on a laptop and buy an external 2 terabyte to 4 terabyte USB drive to store ALL of your deer observation data on. An added benefit is you have a physical separation between your computer (Desktop, laptop or tablet) and your data. This will protect you not only from a virus, but from catastrophic hardware failures as well. Plus, the unit is mobile, and you can move it between multiple computers. ONLY connect it to your computer when reviewing data, editing data, or adding new data. When finished, unplug it from computer and electrical outlet and store is safe place. Price of these drives have come down a lot in past few years, and you can get a Western Digital unit for $100 or less.

Here is one example: Amazon product ASIN B07VTW2LPX
Great suggestion, and that's exactly what I do (and I use Western Digital Passports too). Funny thing is, first one I bought was a Terabyte. I thought, "I'll never fill that!" Then came a 2-terabyte model. "Well I'll certainly never fill that!" Now I'm about to buy a 4-terabyte version! And that's just to hold trail-cam pictures and videos. Pictures don't take up too much space (until you get into the hundreds of thousands), but videos take up a HUGE amount of space, and I'm going all video with my trail-cams.
 
Pictures don't take up too much space (until you get into the hundreds of thousands), but videos take up a HUGE amount of space, and I'm going all video with my trail-cams.
Same here, at least for the cameras that take video. I have a 1 TB drive but that has more family pics and videos on it and will probably keep it that way. I'll get a bigger, say a 4 TB at some point. Any idea how many 15 second videos that will hold?
 
Same here, at least for the cameras that take video. I have a 1 TB drive but that has more family pics and videos on it and will probably keep it that way. I'll get a bigger, say a 4 TB at some point. Any idea how many 15 second videos that will hold?
About 15,000 15 second videos per terabyte (around 75 MB each). 10,000 20 second videos, 20,000 10 second videos. Again, PER TERABYTE, so multiply by 4 for a 4 terabyte drive.
 

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