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New Bow from mathews called the monster

Buckblaster said:
bsl said:
i would rather shoot a bow at 280 and kill deer than to sling arrows at 350 and miss.
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I know too many new archers that bought the x force and couldnt shoot it.
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I don't know any archers that bought the X force,but can't shoot it well. However it is not dobut true.
IMO these people were only thinking speed,and overlooking everything else.

I shoot a much slower Drenalin at 60#,but I am killing deer,and none of the deer I killed were missed because my arrow was too slow.
I did just flat out miss 2 shot this seaon because I shot too high,but that is me making the mistake, and not anything to do with the bow.
Good point.
 
IMO the newer faster bows are not any harder to tune than any other that is if you do them all correct in the first place. The dual cam is also no harder than then single cam a twist here and a twist there no different whatsoever. The only problem is the strings that used to be used on the dual cams they would stretch and come out of tune which is a bit more noticeable than a single cam. With the new prestretched strings the coming out of tune is almost nonexistant now a days.
 
I thought Mathews sold bows because of single cam technology.
Why the dual cams now?

IMO they just change stuff that works for no other reason than they feel compelled to come out with new bows every year.
Even if it's not an improvement.
JMO.
 
LCU said:
I thought Mathews sold bows because of single cam technology.
Why the dual cams now?

IMO they just change stuff that works for no other reason than they feel compelled to come out with new bows every year.
Even if it's not an improvement.
JMO.
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It's all about market trends . They were losing sales to the companies that produced hybrid cam bows that were gaining more speed , and unfortunately speed is a driving force in bow sales .
I haven't shot the bow , so I can't comment on the draw cycle .
 
I refuse to fall into the keeping up with the latest new bow trap, with all the marketing crap.
As long as my bow doesn't break something and I have to replace it, I'll keep what I have.

I hunt with 60# limbs and take shots out to 35 yds.
Seems to be getting the job done for my hunting as is.
JMO.
 
Radar said:
LCU said:
I thought Mathews sold bows because of single cam technology.
Why the dual cams now?

IMO they just change stuff that works for no other reason than they feel compelled to come out with new bows every year.
Even if it's not an improvement.
JMO.
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It's all about market trends . They were losing sales to the companies that produced hybrid cam bows that were gaining more speed , and unfortunately speed is a driving force in bow sales .
I haven't shot the bow , so I can't comment on the draw cycle .
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I don't know about market share by any "real" data, but my perception is that Mathews did miss an opportunity by not having a speed bow and addressed it this year. They started the Mission line to provide a more economical solution to a market they were missing and now they've started the McPherson line to deal with another market they were missing.

It boils down to expanding the business to meet more archer's wants.

They forgot the target archers this year though.
 
agree. Mathews felt the need to catch up to the fast bows from other makers.
Mission line filled the lower budget shooter.
 
The solo cam was this same "bow trap" you are refering to things get better and the technology keeps improving too a few years back the speed bows was verry unforgiving to shoot i agree thats not the case with these new bows
 
Yea. Now you can get speed and forgiveness as technology improves.

Reminds me of the UTgrad post about him having trouble drawing 60#.
Wonder if it is easier to draw my Drenalin because of the rollergard?
Is this possible?

I know it's subjective but i'm age 51 and weigh 172 lbs.
I'm lean but not pumping iron or in great shape.
It's easy to draw my bow,and I'm assuming Utgrad is closer to his prime than I am.
Maybe not.
 
I don't think it has anything to do with his bow. When you pull a bow back with a wrist release you use muscles you don't rarely use or something. You have to get used to it. I have a friend that is stouter than me and he really struggles to get one of my bows, which I draw fine, back with a release.
 
Cam designs can have an effect on the feel of a bow's draw cycle , and that may feel like a person is drawing more weight because of the harsh draw cycle common in some of today's speed bows .
Speed is a trade off , you need to lengthen the power stroke by shortening the brace height and/or change the cam design to achieve more speed . There is some forgiveness lost in both ,but a company needs to find that perfect balance of speed without compromising forgiveness too much .
 
Radar,
I read where you seem to have several different bows.
Are you a field tester for someone?
 
LCU said:
Radar,
I read where you seem to have several different bows.
Are you a field tester for someone?
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I tested for Whisper Creek Archery in 2006 and own several different brands . I just got on board recently with High Country Archery in engineering support . I'll be doing testing and provide design input for Andy Andrews there . As soon as my test bow arrives , the other bows will go up for sale .
 
LCU said:
Yea. Now you can get speed and forgiveness as technology improves.

Reminds me of the UTgrad post about him having trouble drawing 60#.
Wonder if it is easier to draw my Drenalin because of the rollergard?
Is this possible?

I know it's subjective but i'm age 51 and weigh 172 lbs.
I'm lean but not pumping iron or in great shape.
It's easy to draw my bow,and I'm assuming Utgrad is closer to his prime than I am.
Maybe not.
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You can pretty much look at a cam and get a idea of the draw your drenalin has a pretty much round cam that the reason it draws easier. Now take a look at some of the speed bows and check out the cams you can see they are totally different they start building up weight pretty much from the start thats how they get the speed but the thing about that is that you can go 10 to 15 lbs less than older bows and still get the same or better KE and fps
 
The X-Force bows weren't hard to shoot because of the speed. If there was one thing I learned when I had mine, it was that the "pro shop" dealers that carried them didn't know jack crap about setting them up and were not given any tune charts by PSE showing HOW to set up the X-Force bows. Everything I learned about mine I got it off the internet forums. And according to the timing charts of the cams that PSE eventually released, mine never was in time and I never could get access to a press to be able to do time it myself. An out of tune bow wont shoot good for anybody, no matter how good they are or what specs or speed the bow has to it.

As for me...well here's what I've came to realize. I use to be a big speed guy. 70 pound bow and hard hitting arrows. Well it took a big ego let down to talk me into getting a 60 pound bow this year. I did so due to recommendations from folks who have that 82nd Airborne. Well at first I was still thinking I should have got a 70. Now that I've had it a while I have changed my whole concept. I've actually loosened the bow 3 rounds so I'm only shooting 50 something pounds now. AND LOVING IT! I'm shooting a speed bow but have taken advantage of the speed and dropped my poundage and went to lighter arrows. Some folks like to use the speed to shoot heavier arrows like I did. I guess that's all good but I figured it like this. Most of the deer I bow kill are does...most are between 50 and 80 pounds. In other words we got little bodied deer and it don't take a 400+ grain arrow to zap through one. Our deer are about the same thickness of a big groundhog :D So a lighter weight arrow and less poundage really don't concern me. In 17 years bow hunting I've probably shot at 3 or 4 deer that would have been over 100 pounds. And I don't think you could convince me a 330 grain arrow at 55 or 60 pounds flying about 310 wont zip through a 70 pound deer.
 
The specs on that bow say 6 inch brace height... That coupled with the aggressive cams makes it fast for sure. Its also not going to be a real forgiving bow. It will encourage.. no it will force perfect form out of the average shooter. Good looking bow but just not enough brace height for me.
 
Troy Basso said:
The specs on that bow say 6 inch brace height... That coupled with the aggressive cams makes it fast for sure. Its also not going to be a real forgiving bow. It will encourage.. no it will force perfect form out of the average shooter. Good looking bow but just not enough brace height for me.
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You will be suprised how forgiving the xforce is if im not mistaking Eric Griggs won vegas with a xforce 7 the first year the xforce was out. In the older bows yes you could say those specs wasnt forgiving but with this new technology they are very forgivig.
 

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