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just a change of subject from Old Gobbler.




I would join OG, if I could keep up with more than one or two forums at a time, without others going on the back burner. I spend too much time on tndeer now... it's got a little of everything...

Might think differently if yall can give me a good enough reason to join oldgobbler...
 
Swamphunter, I wouldn't go that far..... yes there may be some that frown on killing hens, but it is turkey hunting just the same.... no different than some duck hunters not shooting suzies.... some do, some don't.

Some areas may get so overrun by hens, you may have a very hard time getting a gobbler to play the game.... I have hunted a few places like that in my days...

Catman, join the site and see for yourself.... BOTH are great sites and each have their strong points, BOTH sites have some great folks on them.
 
While I agree at this point in my hunting, there was a time when I first started I just wanted to kill one period same as deer hunting so I get catmans thoughts. Time and experience always shapes a hunters purpose
 
Why have a fall turkey hunt period then..... your just killing next springs gobblers or two year olds in the fall....

I haven't really been able to really get into the fall hunting anyway.... I'm more of a spring-time fellow.


I understand what your saying SH.... I am 33 years old and last spring was the first time in all my years of running around on my grandparents farm to EVER see a wild turkey on the property... it's around southern Benton County.... it was a great sight to behold seeing 6-8 hens with dozens of poults running around them.
 
Hens are just a part of the game, sure some places might be over run with hens but you adapt and overcome. You just have to work around them. Personally i have never, and never plan to kill a hen. I guess i can see hunters that are new to the sport wanting to kill a turkey any turkey,that was not a option when i started hunting birds
 
You will kill a doe, or a female dove, quail, pheasant, etc... but not a female turkey? Because of something the #1 turkey biologist said... I don't know what context he was speaking in, but in some areas overrun with turkeys I still fail to see why it's a bad idea to kill a hen. You may find this as a surprise, but I turkey hunt for meat. Calling to a gobbler is a huge thrill and a big part of the hunt, but since when does that determine if it's "turkey hunting?"

When I killed the 3 hens on a friend's property, he was wanting to thin the turkeys a bit because they were tearing up the food plots right after they were planted. Out of about 60 birds that were on the property that day, he killed 3 and I killed 3, all of which where hens, and I will let you know in future years if the longbeards just disappear because of our terrible deed.

If people on OG all frown on killing hens, well then they might not like me if I join... I consider myself a turkey hunter, which means I hunt turkeys (hens are also turkeys)... since when is turkey hunting limited to calling an ole longbeard?

I didn't just go and "shoot a hen". I called all morning, got called back at by multiple hens, had 2 in range but no clear shot, and persisted all morning until finally some hens came into range and I got lucky enough to take 3 of them. They didn't gobble or strut but I was meat hunting. I got my thanksgiving bird, and 2 extras. All that is left of them are 4 legs for making stock... I can never get enough of the meat...

Of course as I "mature as a hunter" as some would say, I will probably grow past the "killing phase" and narrow down to old, mature gobblers. That would make sense, happens to a lot of people. Unless I still want the meat as much as I do now, in which case I will keep on killin hens...
 
Swamphunter said:
Grizz, I agree. No reason for a fall hunt, either. No reason to kill spring's strutting longbeard in the fall when they aren't playing the game.

Cat, if you had that much trouble killing a hen on a property "overrun" with them, you might ought to stick to hen killing. Not sure a longbeard is in your immediate future.
I've been in range of and taken shots at longbeards, it's my marksmanship that needs more practice. The property had plenty of turkeys, but does that mean they will always cooperate? It was all wooded hills too. You seem to think fall turkey hunting is easy, like you can just shoot a hen anytime. Have you even tried it before....
 
Ok guys, lets not let this get out of hand.... to each their own... good reasons for hunting/not hunting hens.... No sense in getting in a mud slinging fight on here.... leading to things being said that can't be taken back or someone gets a time-out for.


Catman, if you want to sign up on OG, by all means do, wealth of info over there.

I'm going to sit back now, you guys play nice.
 
Grizzly Johnson said:
Ok guys, lets not let this get out of hand.... to each their own... good reasons for hunting/not hunting hens.... No sense in getting in a mud slinging fight on here.... leading to things being said that can't be taken back or someone gets a time-out for.


Catman, if you want to sign up on OG, by all means do, wealth of info over there.

I'm going to sit back now, you guys play nice.
you might want some popcorn :D

think I may sign up on OG, let me think it over first, just signed up on Tinboats.net...
 
Swamphunter said:
I don't turkey hunt for meat.
That's where we differ then... I think I want the meat as much as I want the rush I get when I hear ole longbeard gobble on the tree right next to me.
 
There is no substitute for the a gobbler playing the game in the spring and harvesting that bird. All the same, if I took a new hunter to my farm in the fall and he wanted to shoot a hen i would encourage him. Find something more important that shooting a hen to complain about and leave the management to TWRA.
 
Cat, if you want to kill hens, have at it. Just not on my place. lol I have no reservations about killing jakes, in fact I'd as soon kill a jake as a longbeard, because they come to calls IN THE SPRINGTIME. In other words, like Swamp said, that's playing the game. Call,answer, come in(well maybe). Some on here are condescending about killing jakes, as if its beneath their dignity. Fine, they is they and me is me. Do what you want to son, within the law, and don't give a flip about what anybody else thinks. Just keep in mind that hens are the future of the sport and jakes are gobblers. They don't lay eggs. lol
 
I am going to throw my 2 cents in here as I love to "turkey" hunt and have been at it for awhile. Let me say, there is nothing like killing a mature gobbler in the spring "playing the game." Most of us would have a low success rate calling in mature gobblers in the fall. One reason some dont do it another reason some dont try is because it is more exciting in the spring. To each their own. The real ol timers like Archibald Rutledge and those kind thought it to be wrong to hunt gobblers in the spring because of mating rituals and because gobbler are more vulneralbe then. Again, to each his own. However this whole perception of killing your future gobblers by killing hens in the fall is non-sense. It has been proven hen mortality is very high like 60% and most hens only live a year or two mainly due to predation while sitting on nest. But again to each his own, manage your spot how you want. But personally I love to turkey hunt and really enjoy hunting hens in the fall. However I do not shoot jakes in the fall because they ARE your future Longbeards nor do I shoot them in the Spring. It is not that I am too good or anything like that, jakes or immature gobblers is not what I am after. If I am hunting with someone and they want to shoot a jake, more power to them. Only people shooting jakes on my spots with me would be new hunters, kids or adults, who have never killed a turkey or many turkeys before...This is just how I feel about this.......Not trying to start anything with anyone or take sides, just my views the subject.
 
Roost 1, just as many hens wont be alive after the first year, neither will a fair share of the gobblers. So why not harvest the surplus that nature is going to take anyway? And as many longbeards have gotten themselves killed acting stupid with me as have jakes. But like you say to each his own. I'll do it my way and whatever you want to do is fine with me. But I go back to the days when turkeys were scarce and only poachers killed hens. If that's the way we were raised then thats what sticks with us,
 
I know where you guys are coming from. I can remember the days when if you saw a turkey you remembered it and kept it to yourself. I would say 90% of todays turkey hunters dont have 10yrs experience. I remember when I started I only knew of 2 or 3 people that were hunting turkeys and none of my friends knew anything about it. Todays turkey hunters most everywhere are spoiled. These are "the good ole days" of turkey hunting.
 
Swamphunter said:
4onaside, you are exactly right. I know you hunt in west TN too and there just arent the numbers here that they have in middle TN. Those guys are dayum lucky and some take it for granted. Keep killing hens and someday they might see how we feel in west TN.
Yeah I do hunt the county with the most turkeys harvested repeated years... that helps, I wouldn't want to kill a hen in an area where the population suffers.
 
the fall hunt only opens up the legality to flock shoot longbeards,or any birds for that matter. there is truly no sound biological reason for a fall hunt.just my opinion
 

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