Our turkey maybe in more trouble than we think

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

Take a look at the second video of the commission meeting today. TWRA withdrew their recommendation to close the fall season in some of the counties they were going to close. And some of the commissioners wanted to raise the limit to two a day in the spring.

 

[megalomaniac]

Re: Your turkey maybe in more trouble than we think

Again, kill them all. They are overpopulating and will be taking over our neighborhoods and schools soon. If we don't start thinning them out, they may even resort to pecking our eyes out. This is a wake-up call... you TN hunters are doing a pitiful job in keeping the population in check.... kill more birds. You have killed fewer birds this year than in the majority of years past. Get bigger guns and bigger shells. Quit missing. I'm ashamed to be from TN. I thought we were the 'volunteer state'? Just quit being selfish and volunteer to kill all the overpopulated avian invaders. I'm sure TWRA regrets ever restocking the vermin to our state in the first place.

 

[Mike Belt]

Let's don't fix it until it's completely broken.

 

[Setterman]

Don't you all know that govt knows everything just trust them and everything will be fine

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

Yep closing the fall season did not help, so their recommendation is to do nothing.

 

[woodsman87]

Yep closing the fall season did not help, so their recommendation is to do nothing.

I know. And they didnt even give it enough time to see. Two or three years will not make a difference.





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[catman529]

Yep closing the fall season did not help, so their recommendation is to do nothing.

I know. And they didnt even give it enough time to see. Two or three years will not make a difference.





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yes I agree they based their reasoning on lower harvest this year on a year when turkeys were not gobbling much and are still on a decline, a degree in wildlife must not include common sense, how much do these guys get paid out of our pockets to screw our hunting over. I'm glad I can still hunt a couple spots with good turkey numbers but if a lot of the state is losing its birds then the good spots will either disperse or be poached or leased out.


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[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

Yep closing the fall season did not help, so their recommendation is to do nothing.

I know. And they didnt even give it enough time to see. Two or three years will not make a difference.





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yes I agree they based their reasoning on lower harvest this year on a year when turkeys were not gobbling much and are still on a decline, a degree in wildlife must not include common sense, how much do these guys get paid out of our pockets to screw our hunting over. I'm glad I can still hunt a couple spots with good turkey numbers but if a lot of the state is losing its birds then the good spots will either disperse or be poached or leased out.


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Cat that is exactly how it will go down, as the population goes down the turkey will be less spread out and the areas that have turkey will get more hunting pressure put on them. I've seen it happen.

 

[AT Hiker]

It seems that their opinion is that turkeys were overpopulated in recent years and we're just now seeing what the numbers really should be. Would you all agree with that?

From what I have been told/read there really is no true carrying capacity for turkeys. Basically it would be really hard to have a over population. How true that is...I have no idea but it sort of makes sense.


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[bloodtrailing]

Some thoughts. Petition Governor for removal of appointed members due to mismanagement of resources. Easy to get signatures online and submit. Will let them know we are watching.

If there is someone with a legal connection that is aligns with this cause, sue the commission for mismanagement of resources. Has been done before in other states when decisions are made without data to support. Again brings the focus on the issue. Would take some effort to develop the supporting information, but could be done.

Tenn. Code Ann. § 70-1-205 (2015)

70-1-205. Removal of commission members.

(a) The governor may remove a governor-appointed commission member for inefficiency, neglect of duty, or misconduct in office, after first delivering to the commission member a copy of the charges and affording the commission member an opportunity of being publicly heard in person or by counsel to defend against the charges, upon not less than ten (10) business days' notice.

(b) If such commission member is removed, the governor shall file in the office of the secretary of state a complete statement of all charges made against the commission member and the governor's findings on the charges, together with a complete record of the proceedings.

(c) The governor shall fill vacancies caused by removal in accordance with § 70-1-201(c)(5).

(d) Any member of the commission who misses four (4) regular or special meetings of the commission during any year of the commission member's term of office ipso facto vacates the member's office as a member of the commission. Such vacancies shall be filled in accordance with § 70-1-201(c)(5). This subsection (d) shall not apply to ex officio members.

This code needs to be revised to allow public removal of

 

[8 POINTS OR BETTER]

Some thoughts. Petition Governor for removal of appointed members due to mismanagement of resources. Easy to get signatures online and submit. Will let them know we are watching.

If there is someone with a legal connection that is aligns with this cause, sue the commission for mismanagement of resources. Has been done before in other states when decisions are made without data to support. Again brings the focus on the issue. Would take some effort to develop the supporting information, but could be done.

Tenn. Code Ann. § 70-1-205 (2015)

70-1-205. Removal of commission members.

(a) The governor may remove a governor-appointed commission member for inefficiency, neglect of duty, or misconduct in office, after first delivering to the commission member a copy of the charges and affording the commission member an opportunity of being publicly heard in person or by counsel to defend against the charges, upon not less than ten (10) business days' notice.

(b) If such commission member is removed, the governor shall file in the office of the secretary of state a complete statement of all charges made against the commission member and the governor's findings on the charges, together with a complete record of the proceedings.

(c) The governor shall fill vacancies caused by removal in accordance with § 70-1-201(c)(5).

(d) Any member of the commission who misses four (4) regular or special meetings of the commission during any year of the commission member's term of office ipso facto vacates the member's office as a member of the commission. Such vacancies shall be filled in accordance with § 70-1-201(c)(5). This subsection (d) shall not apply to ex officio members.

This code needs to be revised to allow public removal of

Most of the commissioners are not the problem, the TWRA biologist are the problem. How do we go about getting rid of them?

 

[Gravey]

So nothing was done to the fall or spring seasons? Just status quo?

 

[Spurhunter]

It seems that their opinion is that turkeys were overpopulated in recent years and we're just now seeing what the numbers really should be. Would you all agree with that?

From what I have been told/read there really is no true carrying capacity for turkeys. Basically it would be really hard to have a over population. How true that is...I have no idea but it sort of makes sense.


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Absolutely true. Turkeys can survive eating almost anything. It is almost impossible to over populate.

 

[Gravey]

So nothing was done to the fall or spring seasons? Just status quo?

Nevermind as I just saw the other post. :bore:

 

[scn]

It seems that their opinion is that turkeys were overpopulated in recent years and we're just now seeing what the numbers really should be. Would you all agree with that?

From what I have been told/read there really is no true carrying capacity for turkeys. Basically it would be really hard to have a over population. How true that is...I have no idea but it sort of makes sense.


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Absolutely true. Turkeys can survive eating almost anything. It is almost impossible to over populate.

Absolutely not true. Turkeys have a carrying capacity just like any other animal.

 

[Spurhunter]

It seems that their opinion is that turkeys were overpopulated in recent years and we're just now seeing what the numbers really should be. Would you all agree with that?

From what I have been told/read there really is no true carrying capacity for turkeys. Basically it would be really hard to have a over population. How true that is...I have no idea but it sort of makes sense.


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Absolutely true. Turkeys can survive eating almost anything. It is almost impossible to over populate.

Absolutely not true. Turkeys have a carrying capacity just like any other animal.

I said ALMOST impossible. I've read many turkey biologist's opinions on this. Turkey food sources are endless. You would really have to have a perfect storm to over populate with turkeys. And in that case they will expand their range. A win win.

 

[scn]

There are a wide variety of other factors beyond food that can limit carrying capacity. To me, it is ludicrous to think an animal doesn't have a carrying capacity. If those turkey "biologists" you reference were correct, we would be seeing ever increasing turkey flocks across the country. That isn't happening

 

[megalomaniac]

there is no 'biological carrying capacity' for turkeys in the traditional sense of population dynamics (especially when compared to mammalian species). Due to turkey's adaptive diet, they can survive (and thrive) on more varied food sources than any mammal could ever hope to. Sure, there eventually becomes a carrying capacity when the population becomes so ridiculously large (which we have never, nor will probably ever see) for turkeys, but the social carrying capacity will FAR be exceeded before even remotely approaching the biological carrying capacity.

 

[scn]

there is no 'biological carrying capacity' for turkeys in the traditional sense of population dynamics (especially when compared to mammalian species). Due to turkey's adaptive diet, they can survive (and thrive) on more varied food sources than any mammal could ever hope to. Sure, there eventually becomes a carrying capacity when the population becomes so ridiculously large (which we have never, nor will probably ever see) for turkeys, but the social carrying capacity will FAR be exceeded before even remotely approaching the biological carrying capacity.

Again, food is not the only limiting factor in carrying capacity. Free country, so believe what makes you happy, but I'd bet most trained biologists across the country would agree that turkeys do have a carrying capacity.

 

[woodsman87]

there is no 'biological carrying capacity' for turkeys in the traditional sense of population dynamics (especially when compared to mammalian species). Due to turkey's adaptive diet, they can survive (and thrive) on more varied food sources than any mammal could ever hope to. Sure, there eventually becomes a carrying capacity when the population becomes so ridiculously large (which we have never, nor will probably ever see) for turkeys, but the social carrying capacity will FAR be exceeded before even remotely approaching the biological carrying capacity.

Again, food is not the only limiting factor in carrying capacity. Free country, so believe what makes you happy, but I'd bet most trained biologists across the country would agree that turkeys do have a carrying capacity.

They do have a carrying capacity. As hens run out of good nesting habitat because other hens have already claimed it, they loose good places to nest, there fore having a negative effect.

I do believe there is more to it, and something needs to happen.



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