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Poults already?!?!?

I have read a good bit of research (abstracts, papers, etc) about the eastern wild turkey and their breeding behavior(s); all of it states general conclusions about photoperiod or latitude and the inception of breeding, with a minor influence of warmer weather and March ground temps. What I have not found is a hard data set, or sets, that would show me explicit dates of breeding and the range of days/weeks/months it occurred over. I would LOVE to see this data and interpret it for myself. I would even venture to think the dynamics of the local turkey population may have a localized effect on breeding, kind of like one size does not fit all if you will. As has been stated, BSK will tell you MOST breeding in a balanced herd occurs during a 4-6 week window, however, he will also tell you breeding falls under a Bell curve with a FEW examples falling outside of the norm on the extreme edges (the exceptions, not the rule). A sound biological data set similar to fetal conception backdating with numerous examples over several years would satisfy my curiosity. If anyone knows where I can get my hands on something like this, please post up a link, abstract, paper title, researchers name, professors name, etc. Thanks in advance.
 
I suppose the fruit trees in my yard are not blooming
either because the tag from Lowes says they don't generally bloom until late April. Therefore I'm lying if I say I see them blooming right now.
 
Andy S. said:
I have read a good bit of research (abstracts, papers, etc) about the eastern wild turkey and their breeding behavior(s); all of it states general conclusions about photoperiod or latitude and the inception of breeding, with a minor influence of warmer weather and March ground temps. What I have not found is a hard data set, or sets, that would show me explicit dates of breeding and the range of days/weeks/months it occurred over. I would LOVE to see this data and interpret it for myself. I would even venture to think the dynamics of the local turkey population may have a localized effect on breeding, kind of like one size does not fit all if you will. As has been stated, BSK will tell you MOST breeding in a balanced herd occurs during a 4-6 week window, however, he will also tell you breeding falls under a Bell curve with a FEW examples falling outside of the norm on the extreme edges (the exceptions, not the rule). A sound biological data set similar to fetal conception backdating with numerous examples over several years would satisfy my curiosity. If anyone knows where I can get my hands on something like this, please post up a link, abstract, paper title, researchers name, professors name, etc. Thanks in advance.

I have never seen anything with a firm date range, because it varies inside most states. For instance in Miss, we would see turkey poults from mid-may through mid june which were freshly hatched, and as with anything in nature we saw a random group in early may or late june. This varied from the upper part of the state where the poults arrived later then they did in the lower state along the coast.

Same can be said for here in TN, the elevations here in East TN would see poults show up slightly behind the poults in the areas in western TN.

Certainly weather has some very very minor effect, and the effect is probably more related to nest survival, and poult survival. It has never shown to change the dates when peak breeding occurs.

Every year breeding and hatching of poults is going to occur within a window of time, peak breeding usually occurs in about a 10 day window each year, and peak poult hatching would follow the same 10 day window roughly 30 days later then peak breeding.

If poults are showing up now, it would mean hens were setting on enests during snow evens in Mid February here, and that eggs survived temperatures which dipped down into the teens before the hens were actively sitting and incubating. That is not possible, therefore seeing poults right now would be freakish beyond imagination.
 
I guess I just stopped in the middle of the road and IMAGINED I saw a hen and poults cross the road in front of my truck. No way it could have actually happened because some so-called "experts" say it couldn't happen. I'm just telling what I saw. If you don't believe me, I don't really care.
 
I've got a book here published by the NWTF that says unincubated eggs which the hen is not yet nesting on can survive below freezing temperatures and even a light snowfall and still hatch. It also says day length is the main factor in determining breeding BUT local weather conditions can bring on or delay the normal nesting times...........hmmmmmmm.

Seems to me the right answer would be that it would be unusual or not an ordinary year if someone was seeing poults already. I would agree with this statement. But to say it is not even possible, the weather has no affect at all, and if somebody claims to have seen a poult with their own eyes it is BS, I cannot agree with that.

That's it, I'm out, I will not argue this point further.
 
Weather underground history for Knoxville shows only a few days barely below freezing for the low temp since Feb 14. Pretty mild temps if you ask me concerning the survivability of eggs/poults.
 
Billboy said:
I guess I just stopped in the middle of the road and IMAGINED I saw a hen and poults cross the road in front of my truck. No way it could have actually happened because some so-called "experts" say it couldn't happen. I'm just telling what I saw. If you don't believe me, I don't really care.

Kinda like seeing Bigfoot, nobody ever believes you :D
 
its no different then deer and the "rut"...weather plays a roll no doubt but lenght of day is much bigger. dont matter if its 100degrees or 10 degrees deer still rut at the same time each year to have the highest fawn survival rates.

again weather does play a role sure and i have no idea what you saw but if you say you saw poults then you saw poults, i mean we are not talking about black panthers lol.
 
REN said:
its no different then deer and the "rut"...weather plays a roll no doubt but lenght of day is much bigger. dont matter if its 100degrees or 10 degrees deer still rut at the same time each year to have the highest fawn survival rates.

again weather does play a role sure and i have no idea what you saw but if you say you saw poults then you saw poults, i mean we are not talking about black panthers lol.

Nothing is out of the question as I have said over and over, it is just very unlikely. I am not calling BS on anyone, nature is a funny thing and a freakish event is never out of the question.

However, to think that poults are popping everywhere is just the correct way to think, no matter if it has been 100 since January.

It seems, and I am just going to throw this out there, that the folks who are the most "concerned" with the warmer weather may not have quite the numbers of seasons under their belts that others have, and who have experienced a few of these events over time.

Don't fret, first there is nothing any of us can do about it, and second the season will be just fine.

If hens nested too early, then nature has a way of keeping things on the right schedule and will adjust to make sure that poults hatch in mass at the right times.

Varying breeding times in theory can't occur, if they did then you would have major shifts in population breeding cycles from one year to the next, and ultimately end up with the downfall of the species. For instance, if turkey poults hatched now, then next year those same birds would become "ready" in late Jan or early february, probably get bred and start a cycle of earlier and earlier breeding, which would lead to population collapse because of low poult survival rates during cold winters.

In other more simple words, laws of nature say this isn't going to happen, unless Armageddon looms ahead :)
 
Omg. I just saw a newborn spotted fawn being bottle feed by Elvis on my way home, and I thought wow that was odd, and I turned the next corner there was Bigfoot on the side of the road selling turkey eggs. What a day.

Let's all just get along, its too close to turkey season to he arguing over he said, she said, or saw crap.
 
Setterman said:
REN said:
its no different then deer and the "rut"...weather plays a roll no doubt but lenght of day is much bigger. dont matter if its 100degrees or 10 degrees deer still rut at the same time each year to have the highest fawn survival rates.

again weather does play a role sure and i have no idea what you saw but if you say you saw poults then you saw poults, i mean we are not talking about black panthers lol.

Nothing is out of the question as I have said over and over, it is just very unlikely. I am not calling BS on anyone, nature is a funny thing and a freakish event is never out of the question.

However, to think that poults are popping everywhere is just the correct way to think, no matter if it has been 100 since January.

It seems, and I am just going to throw this out there, that the folks who are the most "concerned" with the warmer weather may not have quite the numbers of seasons under their belts that others have, and who have experienced a few of these events over time.

Don't fret, first there is nothing any of us can do about it, and second the season will be just fine.

If hens nested too early, then nature has a way of keeping things on the right schedule and will adjust to make sure that poults hatch in mass at the right times.

Varying breeding times in theory can't occur, if they did then you would have major shifts in population breeding cycles from one year to the next, and ultimately end up with the downfall of the species. For instance, if turkey poults hatched now, then next year those same birds would become "ready" in late Jan or early february, probably get bred and start a cycle of earlier and earlier breeding, which would lead to population collapse because of low poult survival rates during cold winters.

In other more simple words, laws of nature say this isn't going to happen, unless Armageddon looms ahead :)


yup we are in agreement and on the same page. I too did a good bit of turkey and deer studying when getting my degree in forestry and biology from Auburn, thats why i was trying to assosiate it to deer rut....no matter what happens it will still occur on pretty much the same cycle each year unless something VERY drastic were to happen.
 
Here are some pictures from June the 22nd,If you guys want to believe these people have seen poults then to each his own.
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Some of these poults are a few weeks old ,but I would doubt that hens are even nesting yet.


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Howa said:
The trees, the foliage, the grass, the insects, and the weather are all a good month ahead of schedule here. As far as I know theose turkeys ain't got no calendar, they are on nature's schedule too, so it seems perfectly sensible to me that they are also about a month ahead of schedule, a little early for poults, but certainly not out of the question, it's been 75-80 degrees for a month now. Normally at opening day there is absolutely nothing green adn growing here, a redbud blooming is the only sign of anything alive in the woods. Not this year, everything has leaves already, dogwoods been blooming a week, the wheat fields are knee high already. We're a month ahead of schedule easily.
Most things in nature work off hours of daylight.

I don't know if the exceptionally warm weather we have had this year will speed things up. My bees are running a little ahead of schedule and an apple orchard where I move them for pollination is a little ahead also. Who can say for sure?
 
Uncle Jesse said:
I had to work a 30 hour shift, so maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, but it looks like the date is 2011 on the pic.

yeah so? june 2012 is still a couple of months away. :)
 

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