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I have to agree , incorrect draw length is the number one problem . And touching on the speed subject as well , I believe too many archers focus on speed alone , and in many cases sacrifice forgiveness and accuracy to achieve a few more FPS .
This quest for more speed is too often the reason for incorrect draw length and draw weight .
 
Radar said:
I have to agree , incorrect draw length is the number one problem . And touching on the speed subject as well , I believe too many archers focus on speed alone , and in many cases sacrifice forgiveness and accuracy to achieve a few more FPS .
This quest for more speed is too often the reason for incorrect draw length and draw weight .
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Very well said, indeed!
 
The draw length saga is made even more complicated by people not understanding what it really is or how to measure it. All manufacturers are not created equal on this. In the name of speed claims (because speed sells) some manufacturers will fudge on the draw length a little to make the bows seem faster. I.E. we will take a bow that actually measures 30.5 inches, and put a stamp on the cam and limbs saying its a 30. Then they'll shoot it through the chrony and advertise those speeds they get with it. It may only be 5 fps more but I've seen people sell their "old" bows for a brand new one that was just 5 fps faster. Speed sells.

It amazes me at the variance in draw length numbers from bow company to bow company. So you can't just go into a bow shop and say "I'm a 28" draw length" and pick up the bows that have 28" on them and be good to go in every case. Add into the mix that strings and cables do stretch a little and the bow gets out of spec. Especially if the bow is a 70# model and you back it down in poundage. That will increase your draw length in most cases by just enough to throw you off unless you go ahead and put the bow in spec via twisting or untwisting string/cables for the poundage you intend to shoot. Its best to just buy the bow with the max poundage you want. If you only plan on shooting 62 pounds...its best to buy a 60 or 65 pound max limb bow vs buying a 70# one and backing it down to 62.

There's a lot of little stuff in that, that people don't know or don't realize. Those of us that shoot a lot, take this stuff for common knowledge but to those that don't live and breathe archery, it may not be well known. I think that all bow companies should abide by AMO standards and if it says its 28 inches on the bow...it should measure 28 inches on the draw board or tape measure.
 
Also, many guys think they have to pull 70 lbs to kill a deer. So they set up at 70 lbs and literally have to do a rain dance to get the bow drawn! If it is a struggle to pull the bow back while in a sitting position or when it's cold, you probably need to drop the poundage down.
 
I don't think the #1 problem is equipment related at all.

Sure bad equipment, incorrect draw length and too heavy of poundage can be a deterrent on accuracy. But I think the number one problem with shooters is form!

I'm no call the 14 ring shooter and hit it on demand but I am no slouch either. But I can pick up most any bow rather it be too long, too short, too heavy or too light and be somewhat consistent with it.

Good form will get you there!!
 
PillsburyDoughboy said:
I don't think the #1 problem is equipment related at all.

Sure bad equipment, incorrect draw length and too heavy of poundage can be a deterrent on accuracy. But I think the number one problem with shooters is form!

I'm no call the 14 ring shooter and hit it on demand but I am no slouch either. But I can pick up most any bow rather it be too long, too short, too heavy or too light and be somewhat consistent with it.

Good form will get you there!!
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I understand what you're saying, but I disagree....how can a person have proper form with equipment that is not setup/sized correctly? That is like saying I can run the Boston Marathon tomorrow with shoes that are either two sizes too small or too big, or can somewhat consistently hit homeruns with an incorrect sized ball bat or probably the best analogy would be to consistently play par golf with clubs that are too long or too short. Maybe it's just me, but the logic isn't there.
 
The number one problem has nothing to do with form, draw length, draw weight, etc. The number one problem is all the bull, or hype some may call it, that is out there. No one wants to address individual skill. Nothing can help, regardless of what equipment is available, if the skill is not there. All this crap floating around on TV, magazines, forums, yada yada has got everyone believing they can shoot thru 1 inch PVC pipe then thru kitchen off the nightstand and hit the golf ball. Bull you have to have the skill to do it. Practice all day and everyday don't matter if you don't have it you don't have. Best example out there is Nascar. All the cars are pretty much the same but it is the skill that allows the driver to win. Look at golf, all you got to do is hit a little ball with a steel stick and have it go in a hole in the ground. Sounds pretty easy dont it. Equipment dont get the ball in the hole skill does. Sure equipment that fits helps make anyone a better shooter but it is the individuals skill that determines how well they shoot. If your skill level only allows to you shoot out to say 30 yards then you don't need $2000 worth of crap, match grade this, precision this, to do it. After all this only archery not rocket science. Its not that complicated or hard if you stay inside YOUR skill level.
 
TNDeerGuy said:
PillsburyDoughboy said:
I don't think the #1 problem is equipment related at all.

Sure bad equipment, incorrect draw length and too heavy of poundage can be a deterrent on accuracy. But I think the number one problem with shooters is form!

I'm no call the 14 ring shooter and hit it on demand but I am no slouch either. But I can pick up most any bow rather it be too long, too short, too heavy or too light and be somewhat consistent with it.

Good form will get you there!!
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I understand what you're saying, but I disagree....how can a person have proper form with equipment that is not setup/sized correctly? That is like saying I can run the Boston Marathon tomorrow with shoes that are either two sizes too small or too big, or can somewhat consistently hit homeruns with an incorrect sized ball bat or probably the best analogy would be to consistently play par golf with clubs that are too long or too short. Maybe it's just me, but the logic isn't there.
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What I am saying is if I were to put my bow in your hands. Lets say your a 30 inch draw and I am a 28 inch draw. Mine is a whisker bisket and yours is a fall away. Yours has a micro adjustable sight and mine has a fixed sight. You clearly are going to shoot your better yes???

But are you going to totally be off target and not be able to group a round of arrows without a little bit of familiarity with my bow???

Of course you will do well with it. Its because you have good form. Good form makes up for bad equipment of border line equipment or incorrect size and weight.

Its all about the form.

As to skill???

I agree there are just some people that have it and some people that don't. Some people are just born with talent that no matter what they pick up rather it be a rifle, shotgun, bow or sack full of rocks they can flat out shoot.

But people with good form will develop good skill. Rather they were born with it or not.
 
If we're talking about hitting a pie plate at 20 yards sure you can with good form hit the target with the wrong draw length.

Now if we are talking about busting golf tees consistently at 20 yards I don't care how good your form is...equipment fit is paramount.
 

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