PHILLIP
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Hunter0678 said:
I AGREE !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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paradis1142
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Typical rage performance right there.
bucknuts
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i agree with east10buck i jus bought the 3 blades and if the outlaw em im jus gonna shoot em anyways, how are they gonna no if im usin them or not?
bucknuts said:
If you are checked with an illegal broadhead in your quiver, you would be in violation-for what it's worth ahead of time.
bigorangmd
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scn said:
I just found out it's illegal to hunt from a vehicle. I just bought a brand new gun rest for my truck so I'm gonna use it anyway.
Just found out that I can't use that new feeder I bought to hunt over. Already bought it so I'm gonna use it.
Just found out that the deer hunt I had planned next weekend is a week to early. Already planned so I'm going anyway.
Just shot a nice buck but whoa look at that one! He's better so I'm going to shoot him too. Nobody's going to see me I'll check them online on different days.
Luckily it appears the Rage 2 blades are legal. If they weren't though I'd throw mine out. If you know you are breaking the law and choose to do it anyway you are willingly breaking the hunting laws. Why not just poach, all the same. If it's a financial thing...new broadheads are cheaper than the new Bow you'd have to buy when yours gets confiscated for using illegal equipment. It's only 40-80$ depending on how many packages you have to buy and most of us spend that much on new gadgets anyway. Man up and be a legal hunter. Feel good about yourself and don't have to worry walking out of the woods.
PHILLIP said:
Yep
bobthebowhunter
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Just doesn't seem fair that the TWRA can change something this close to start of the season because it won't be in the book. I think many of us needed more of a heads up. Also I think it's getting to the point that there needs to be a list of illegal heads in the book if they are going to start splitting hairs. Seems that so far there is no black and white, just a gray area. And i think leaving it up to the individual officer is BS too. It's either illegal or its legal. Either way it's a little late to put it in the book, and until it's in the book it aint official. Think of how many guys that don't hang out on here but do read the book could be screwed by this. If it isn't in the book it won't stand IMO. You have to state the law CLEARLY before enforcing it. my 2cents. Either way it appears from the link posted at the begining of this thread that the 2 blade rage heads will be legal so I'll be good anyway.
bigorangmd
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It's not a new law they are springing on us. If you look at the TWRA post Alan P the region 1 biologist says he's been with the agency for 25 years and the barbed broadhead was on the books when he got there. Someone just brought up that this might pertain to current mechanical type broadheads and I'm glad they brought it up. There are quite a few states that have this law and you'd think the manufacturers would have a disclaimer but it's up to us to know the law. Remember ignorance of the law is not an excuse. You can still be cited even if you weren't aware. Thank goodness we had someone bring this up and thanks to our TWRA guys (SCN especially) for taking the time to go check out the ones we were talking about and give their opinion - they didn't have to). It really is a pretty common sense law and not open to interpretation, either the mechanical locks in place when open past a 90 degree angle or it doesn't. If we claim to be able to estimate a deers age or whether he grosses 120" or better in the field I would think we have the ability to look at our broadheads and see if they are legal or not.
bobthebowhunter said:
Copied from the book on page 20...
I think that's pretty clear. TWRA doesn't (nor should it) have the burden of specifically identifying which broadheads are or aren't barbed. The rule is no barbs and has been for a long time.
It is nice to get a specific ruling on certain heads, but in all reality it's a caveat emptor situation.
Hoss
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Having a list of legal or illegal heads is not practical. Heads are changed, modified, upgraded, invented, discontinued and altered by the hunter every DAY (Heck I know a couple of guys who make their own broadheads). The TWRA or TNDEER or no one else can stay up to date on this. All that can be done is evaluate a head when a question is brought up. That is exactly what happened in this case.
Upon further review the head was determined to be barbed. That means it does not meet the regulation. That is all this is.
It is not the first time this has happened. Hoyt came out with a broadhead in the 80's called a rock chucker or something like that. It was a great head and gaining popularity when it was decided that it too was barbed. The head was redesigned and released the next year under a different name.
SO my guess is that next year the broadheads in question will get a redesign and come back next year as the new and improved Rage 3 blade, and meet the legal regulation.
Upon further review the head was determined to be barbed. That means it does not meet the regulation. That is all this is.
It is not the first time this has happened. Hoyt came out with a broadhead in the 80's called a rock chucker or something like that. It was a great head and gaining popularity when it was decided that it too was barbed. The head was redesigned and released the next year under a different name.
SO my guess is that next year the broadheads in question will get a redesign and come back next year as the new and improved Rage 3 blade, and meet the legal regulation.
HOOK
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Everyone will have their own opinion and view. I fell victim to advertising and tried the rage two blade last season. I have not lost a bow shot deer in quite some time, but last season lost two...and before you ask...Yes I know how to kill deer with a bow. So, needless to say to start back making a harvest I went back to my favorite stand-by the 3 bladed muzzie. As previously stated...don't fix what ain't broke. That is a golden rule of mine and I broke it. In short what I'm trying to say is...who really cares?? Just use what works for you and leave it at that.
Mr.Bro
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Amazing how many people will choose which laws to follow.Follow the ones you want to and the hell with the rest.Thats sad.
bobthebowhunter
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So far none of us are poachers. They locked the TWRA thread because they couldn't give us a straight answer. All we got was one officer's opinion. And I'm sorry but I'm not taking one fella's opinion as the law. And what about all the guys that don't hang out on here. How are they gonna know about this new addition to the list of illegal broad heads? Don't matter anyway for me I'm shooting the 2 blade.
bobthebowhunter said:
There's not a "LIST" it has to do with the design, and the law is pretty clear. And not respecting a TWRA Officer's opinion of the law is what gives hunters a bad rap. Show a little respect.
bigorangmd
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Those that don't take the officers opinion get to hear the judge's.
bigorangmd said:
Yep. Judge's opinions tend to be "costly" as well.
bobthebowhunter
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bigorangmd said:
Not to worried about the judge or the officers. I'll be shooting the 2 blades this year....Actually i think I already said that in a couple of my posts. Yall must have just had your nose so far up TWRA's a.. that you didn't see the whole post.
Opinions will not stand as the law.
Past that I believe I'll hang this one up. Yall say what you want, but I know I'm legal every year. And if you don't like what I'm sayin don't read it.
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