SEC and Vandy

[Vermin93]

It seems the 34-0 shellacking to Houston has pushed Mudbone close to the breaking point. Totally understandable, as that would make for a miserable football Saturday that would likely carry over into the work week.

Now that I think about it, if the SEC would boot Vandy football it might make the conference worthy of ND football membership! [emoji6]

Fan of BSK? Lol, put down the sauce!

 

[Scioto]

Notre Dame hasn't won anything in years. So let's move on.

Yes I believe the SEC is overrated in football, but I still believe it is the best conference in football top to bottom (Vandy would kick Nebraska's ass most likely). There is equality at the top, but less so in the middle and bottom of B1G, PAC 12 and Big 12 compared to the SEC. ACC is not long for this world and other than 1 or 2 teams, the rest would be hard pressed to compete for a conference title in the MAC or AAC.

I think what some may be missing is Houston is very good, as are Memphis, Toledo, Temple, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois and some others. Saban and Smart asked Tom Herman, Houston's HC, for advice on what OSU saw to exploit. Our groupthink and the media exposure of the "power" conferences blinds us to the very good football and coaching of the "lesser" teams. Meyer, Saban, Pinkle, Mcelwaine, Jones and it's a long list all got their start in the MAC, WAC and now AAC. They just don't have the depth and ability to reload every year like the big schools. Plus, a successful coach leaves to find his glory in the "power" conferences.

Vandy is in a tough spot. Very high academic standards. One of the leading universities in the world. Having to recruit against UT, Bama, Ole Miss, UGA and then all of the other big programs for the talent in the southeast. Franklin benefited from Dooley as coach of UT. Then Vandy has to compete against Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern for the 4.00 gpa recruits. Tough job.

I personally think Mason should be retained for at least one more year. His focus on defense has obviously paid off, notwithstanding the Houston defeat (Houston would beat every team in the SEC East with the exception of Florida; they are that good). I think he needs to hire an OC to run spread option or some unconventional offense. Look to the Big 12.

 

[redblood]

Notre Dame hasn't won anything in years. So let's move on.

Yes I believe the SEC is overrated in football, but I still believe it is the best conference in football top to bottom (Vandy would kick Nebraska's ***** most likely). There is equality at the top, but less so in the middle and bottom of B1G, PAC 12 and Big 12 compared to the SEC. ACC is not long for this world and other than 1 or 2 teams, the rest would be hard pressed to compete for a conference title in the MAC or AAC.

I think what some may be missing is Houston is very good, as are Memphis, Toledo, Temple, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois and some others. Saban and Smart asked Tom Herman, Houston's HC, for advice on what OSU saw to exploit. Our groupthink and the media exposure of the "power" conferences blinds us to the very good football and coaching of the "lesser" teams. Meyer, Saban, Pinkle, Mcelwaine, Jones and it's a long list all got their start in the MAC, WAC and now AAC. They just don't have the depth and ability to reload every year like the big schools. Plus, a successful coach leaves to find his glory in the "power" conferences.

Vandy is in a tough spot. Very high academic standards. One of the leading universities in the world. Having to recruit against UT, Bama, Ole Miss, UGA and then all of the other big programs for the talent in the southeast. Franklin benefited from Dooley as coach of UT. Then Vandy has to compete against Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern for the 4.00 gpa recruits. Tough job.

I personally think Mason should be retained for at least one more year. His focus on defense has obviously paid off, notwithstanding the Houston defeat (Houston would beat every team in the SEC East with the exception of Florida; they are that good). I think he needs to hire an OC to run spread option or some unconventional offense. Look to the Big 12.

agree 100%. vandy is in a tough spot with the academic requirements.

 

[farmin68]

Vermin, I have been one the biggest ND fans for as long as I can remember due to my parents attending and graduating from notre dame.(st Mary's for my mother). Im almost more embarrassed to admit I'm an Irish fan than I am a vandy fan (ON THIS SITE ONLY)due to your ridiculous statements that I don't want to be associated with.
I don't know what your connection to notre dame is, but I assume you graduated from there, or are a professor, one or the other.
Not a conference worthy of notre dame's membership? Smdh
Your smart mouth and idiotic statements are appreciated or laughed at by no one on this board. (Remember bsk)?
It would be cool if you typed something worth reading every now and then.

Mudbone, that's one of the best posts I've read in a long time.

 

[Vermin93]

See the problem? What is the first criteria?? Yep, no conference championship, no playoffs!!

I remembered reading this over the summer and was able to track it down. Comments from the Executive Director of the College Football Playoff, himself.

Notre Dame can stay independent and compete for title, CFP director says

http://espn.go.com/college-football...rce-notre-dame-fighting-irish-join-conference

:super:

 

[TeamMainStreet]

Conference Champ or no Conference Champ. The Irish aint getting in.

 

[PalsPal]

Vandy's admission requirements aren't as restrictive as many believe!

 

[Vermin93]

It's definitely possible ND could get in. Along with winning out and finishing with 1 loss, several other things will obviously need to happen to clear the way for them to grab the 4th spot.

Good article by Dan Wetzel about ND and conferences. :tu:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-no...-conference-anytime-soon-052507910-ncaaf.html

 

[baddnole]

Notre Dame hasn't won anything in years. So let's move on.

Yes I believe the SEC is overrated in football, but I still believe it is the best conference in football top to bottom (Vandy would kick Nebraska's ***** most likely). There is equality at the top, but less so in the middle and bottom of B1G, PAC 12 and Big 12 compared to the SEC. ACC is not long for this world and other than 1 or 2 teams, the rest would be hard pressed to compete for a conference title in the MAC or AAC.

I think what some may be missing is Houston is very good, as are Memphis, Toledo, Temple, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois and some others. Saban and Smart asked Tom Herman, Houston's HC, for advice on what OSU saw to exploit. Our groupthink and the media exposure of the "power" conferences blinds us to the very good football and coaching of the "lesser" teams. Meyer, Saban, Pinkle, Mcelwaine, Jones and it's a long list all got their start in the MAC, WAC and now AAC. They just don't have the depth and ability to reload every year like the big schools. Plus, a successful coach leaves to find his glory in the "power" conferences.

Vandy is in a tough spot. Very high academic standards. One of the leading universities in the world. Having to recruit against UT, Bama, Ole Miss, UGA and then all of the other big programs for the talent in the southeast. Franklin benefited from Dooley as coach of UT. Then Vandy has to compete against Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern for the 4.00 gpa recruits. Tough job.

I personally think Mason should be retained for at least one more year. His focus on defense has obviously paid off, notwithstanding the Houston defeat (Houston would beat every team in the SEC East with the exception of Florida; they are that good). I think he needs to hire an OC to run spread option or some unconventional offense. Look to the Big 12.

agree 100%. vandy is in a tough spot with the academic requirements.

Student Athletes at Vanderbilt

Student Athletes at Vanderbilt have a range of resources available to help meet their academic needs. Student Athletes at Vanderbilt must maintain a minimum GPA as noted below in order to remain eligible to play:
•1.8 at the end of freshman year
•1.9 at the end of sophomore year
•2.0 thereafter
These are the same standards that Vanderbilt students must achieve in order to be considered in good academic standing by the University. All student athletes are assigned an academic counselor and all have access to tutors. In addition, study hours are required during the freshman year, and they are encouraged to avail themselves of the Learning Center and Learning Center seminars on time management and study skills.For more information on academic support for student athletes at Vanderbilt, see the Stratton Foster Academic Center.
https://www.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1163799

Vanderbilt recruiting—perception is not a reality.

 

[Hillbilly Hunter]

interesting.

 

[Mudbone]

13% of applicants get accepted into Vanderbilt.

I don't know if that number doubles, triples, or goes all the way to 100% if you are a good athlete, but most good athletes don't want to go to a school where being a nerd is a requirement to fit in.

 

[Scioto]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

 

[baddnole]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

Is ohio st recruiting at the local prison now that urban is your coach. Dont worry about Fsu until you beat them.Better read the article again.

 

[wayne]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

Prove it.

 

[Scioto]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

Prove it.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT ... at-act.htm

 

[Scioto]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

Is ohio st recruiting at the local prison now that urban is your coach. Dont worry about Fsu until you beat them.Better read the article again.

Highly unlikely the Buckeyes will get the chance to play the Criminoles this year, as the Criminoles won't be making the college football playoffs.

 

[baddnole]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

Is ohio st recruiting at the local prison now that urban is your coach. Dont worry about Fsu until you beat them.Better read the article again.

Highly unlikely the Buckeyes will get the chance to play the Criminoles this year, as the Criminoles won't be making the college football playoffs.

You may be right about the playoffs.Maybe see you in a lessor bowl.How are your criminals doing? Barrett been arrested again yet?I saw where you noticed Fsu being a bastion of knowledge.Maybe you could get your Rhode schollars to debate Fsu's. How is that brilliant Andy Katzemoyey doing?Go Michigan!!

 

[Gravey]

Notre Dame hasn't won anything in years. So let's move on.

Yes I believe the SEC is overrated in football, but I still believe it is the best conference in football top to bottom (Vandy would kick Nebraska's ***** most likely). There is equality at the top, but less so in the middle and bottom of B1G, PAC 12 and Big 12 compared to the SEC. ACC is not long for this world and other than 1 or 2 teams, the rest would be hard pressed to compete for a conference title in the MAC or AAC.

I think what some may be missing is Houston is very good, as are Memphis, Toledo, Temple, Bowling Green, Northern Illinois and some others. Saban and Smart asked Tom Herman, Houston's HC, for advice on what OSU saw to exploit. Our groupthink and the media exposure of the "power" conferences blinds us to the very good football and coaching of the "lesser" teams. Meyer, Saban, Pinkle, Mcelwaine, Jones and it's a long list all got their start in the MAC, WAC and now AAC. They just don't have the depth and ability to reload every year like the big schools. Plus, a successful coach leaves to find his glory in the "power" conferences.

Vandy is in a tough spot. Very high academic standards. One of the leading universities in the world. Having to recruit against UT, Bama, Ole Miss, UGA and then all of the other big programs for the talent in the southeast. Franklin benefited from Dooley as coach of UT. Then Vandy has to compete against Stanford, Duke, and Northwestern for the 4.00 gpa recruits. Tough job.

I personally think Mason should be retained for at least one more year. His focus on defense has obviously paid off, notwithstanding the Houston defeat (Houston would beat every team in the SEC East with the exception of Florida; they are that good). I think he needs to hire an OC to run spread option or some unconventional offense. Look to the Big 12.

agree 100%. vandy is in a tough spot with the academic requirements.

How does Stanford and Duke recruit so they're winning on the field? I work with a guy that played at Vandy under Dinardo and I promise he didn't bust the #'s off of the ACT or SAT. Don't mean he's a dummy but he's not Vandy genius and will admit it.

 

[Mudbone]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

Prove it.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT ... at-act.htm

Interesting

 

[gator-n-buck]

quote="OHVATN"]

My intern should be arriving to the office soon since she only has morning classes at Vanderbilt Law School on Wednesday. I'll ask her if she agrees that Vanderbilt has the same academic standards as all of the other schools in the SEC and the other Power 5 conferences, including that bastion of academic excellence known as Florida State University. I can guarantee you this, no one with a 2.0 gpa is getting accepted to attend Vanderbilt. I don't care how good of a football player they may be in high school.

Prove it.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-SAT ... at-act.htm

Interesting[/quote]

I didn't read all that but like many colleges including Vandy, UF, and UT. Standards for football players being accepted are different than the regular students. Of course no one pays big bucks to watch the debate team... :tu: