in Springville bottoms, high levels in bass and crappie. shellcracker and bluegill also had mercury but below the EPA trigger. i think they are having a meeting tonight for crappie fisherman in Paris and i think TDEC will also be present.
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MidTennFisher
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What a shame. Just in case there aren't any bodies of water yet that haven't been ruined, we're working on it! It's really disappointing that there are some lakes full of fish that are hazardous to eat.
Has anyone heard or does anyone know where the mercury is coming from?
I mean, I know NO business will be at fault or nothing but just curious.
I mean, I know NO business will be at fault or nothing but just curious.
JimFromTN
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http://www.tennessee.gov/environment/news/23717
"There is no known direct discharge of mercury into the Big Sandy River. Atmospheric deposition accumulated in sediment is considered the most likely origin of the mercury in the fish."
I believe that means its a result of air pollution. I had to google it.
http://www.water-pollution.org.uk/atmospheric.html
Atmospheric deposition is the pollution of water caused by air pollution. In the atmosphere, water particles mix with carbon dioxide sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, this forms a weak acid. Air pollution means that water vapour absorbs more of these gases and becomes even more acidic.
"There is no known direct discharge of mercury into the Big Sandy River. Atmospheric deposition accumulated in sediment is considered the most likely origin of the mercury in the fish."
I believe that means its a result of air pollution. I had to google it.
http://www.water-pollution.org.uk/atmospheric.html
Atmospheric deposition is the pollution of water caused by air pollution. In the atmosphere, water particles mix with carbon dioxide sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides, this forms a weak acid. Air pollution means that water vapour absorbs more of these gases and becomes even more acidic.
Hmmm,
Very interesting.
Thanks.
Very interesting.
Thanks.
yeah supposedly comes out of the air. the only other section of river is from the Duck to i40 bridge for mercury in bass. it could be worse, i guess, i could live in east tenn.
indont know how the crappie meeting turned out, probably the same outcome as years past. we will see if there are any changes when the commission meets to set limits and what not.
indont know how the crappie meeting turned out, probably the same outcome as years past. we will see if there are any changes when the commission meets to set limits and what not.
MidTennFisher
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WTM":bqh03vv7 said:
Yea where there are millions of acres of beautiful land to hunt but almost every body of water is a calculated risk to eat fish out of. It's such a shame.
MickThompson
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Makes you wonder what might be accumulating in game and livestock too.
Vermin93
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Isn't coal-powered energy awesome?
Meanwhile, many conservative sportsmen ridicule investments in clean, renewable energy. Classic case of shooting oneself in the foot out of stubbornness. I hope they enjoy the polluted fishing.
This is nothing new. Google "lakes mercury coal" and you can read all about it. It's really bad in China where they burn huge amounts of coal.
https://www.facebook.com/Wmufwlzk/posts/1016883075093896
Denton said in 35 years of testing fish for mercury levels in Tennessee waters this is the first time crappie has been above the .3 trigger point. He said it's not likely killing the fish and there is no evidence of historical mercury discharge in the area. In TDEC's best judgement, the mercury levels in the fish comes from the air thru the burning of coal.
Meanwhile, many conservative sportsmen ridicule investments in clean, renewable energy. Classic case of shooting oneself in the foot out of stubbornness. I hope they enjoy the polluted fishing.
This is nothing new. Google "lakes mercury coal" and you can read all about it. It's really bad in China where they burn huge amounts of coal.
https://www.facebook.com/Wmufwlzk/posts/1016883075093896
Denton said in 35 years of testing fish for mercury levels in Tennessee waters this is the first time crappie has been above the .3 trigger point. He said it's not likely killing the fish and there is no evidence of historical mercury discharge in the area. In TDEC's best judgement, the mercury levels in the fish comes from the air thru the burning of coal.
JimFromTN
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MickThompson":53bohblb said:
Seems like resident waterfowl would be directly affected. I used to hunt the wolf river in the Memphis city limits. I later found out I probably should not have been touching the water much less eating the ducks out of there.
MidTennFisher
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JimFromTN":rxu4av0o said:
I've read that's why many duck hunters won't eat shovelers. They've been seen feeding in some nasty stuff, like sewage ponds. I hunted in Arkansas this past season and killed plenty of them. They were resident ducks of that farm so they are just fine to eat. A rice fed shoveler tastes like a rice fed mallard, just isn't as big.
Man we have really got to make some changes in the industries that are ruining our wildlife habitats. I now wonder about all the striped bass I ate from below the steam plant after we found out about all the crap found in that canal. I'm not anti coal or anti manufacturing at all. It would be silly for me to be against manufacturing facilities in my line of work, they are my customers as a controls engineer, but in another 100 years there isn't going to be a safe body of water in this country aside from hiking hundreds of miles into the mountains and fishing small ponds and rivers if this keeps up.
MidTennFisher
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Vermin93":37bajcjl said:
I'd definitely consider myself as Conservative as they come but as an outdoorsman it sickens me to see our waters and woods ruined by pollution. This is where we eat fish from and eat animals from, we can't let it get ruined. I don't have the solution but I am definitely more open to clean energy alternatives than many in my camp are.
kentuckylakebuck
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god, i feel like al gore is running for something again!?!?!?!?
MidTennFisher
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Nobody's talking about that goofball. He's a scam artist and I like him about as much as I like the fact that I live near beautiful lakes which have fish contaminant warnings.
Vermin93
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kentuckylakebuck":2capqpa0 said:
^^^^^ Perfect example of what I'm talking about with sportsmen getting the environment they deserve. Enjoy the mercury. :tu:
In TDEC's best judgement, the mercury levels in the fish comes from the air thru the burning of coal.
kentuckylakebuck
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if this mercury comes from the air, from burning coal, please explain to me why the springville bottom crappie have dangerous amounts of mercury in them but the ones across the levy do not?Vermin93":3jgga4gz said:
Vermin93
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kentuckylakebuck":1g838tje said:
There's no "if" about it, but that's a good question for Hal Herring at Field & Stream.
Field and Stream Report: The Truth about Mercury and the Fish You Eat
http://www.fieldandstream.com/artic...m-report-truth-about-mercury-and-fish-you-eat
The good news is studies have shown that fish can bounce back relatively quickly when mercury emissions from power plants are decreased.
Success story: Cleaner bluefish show effectiveness of US coal regulations, study says
http://www.environmentalhealthnews....ic-ocean-mercury-safe-eat-coal-plants-fillets
kentuckylakebuck
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that still doesnt answer my question: how are the fish on one side of the levy contaminated and not the other? how are the fish in the mouth of the big sandy contaminated, but not a 1/4 mile down river and then contaminated again another mile down river? what were the trigger levels 5 years ago vs the trigger levels today? I'm not trying to be a prick or the perfect example, these are the questions that don't seem to be getting answered around here? maybe i missed it ,but Hal didn't qiuet answer these questions for me?
well, i didnt post this to start a whirl wind of political discussion. i posted it so that folks that havent heard about the new areas could be informed. for those who live in Camden, pretty much knows where it is coming from. we have had warer pollution problems for the last 10 years and i will almost guarantee that there will be more findings of mercury from Cypress creek(where the mouth dumps into the river at Camden Bottoms). it has been found, tested and proven that Cypress creek, underground aquafers, private wells and wetland bottoms have been contaminated with high levels of mercury for years. and yes, from several independent tests it was caused from chert gravel mining and was compunded and made worse by the dumping of fly ash into the newly constructed waste disposal site aka Bivens industrial landfill, which resides only a few hundred feet from Cypress Creek. then compunded further by the opening of an aluminum dross landfill in on of the abandoned chert gravel pits, which also resides only a few hundred feet. then you have Magpro(a company that claimed bankrupt in California because of a $2billion EPA cleanup), and processes metal slag and the west Camden landfill, which both resides alongside a feeder creek that dumps into Cypress.
you can look all of this up on the net and how many times TDEC has come in tested and did nothing but lay a couple of thousand dollar fines and it was back to business as uaual. so when TDEC said it is coing out of the air i had to laugh. Mercury is a heavy metal, it does not vaporized into the air or dissolved in the rain droplets. it is leached into the water table and deposited in the silt and sediment and is consumed by fish. this is how you can find mercury in some of the bays and not others. now keep in mind that TDEC does not sample the entire lake system only a certain percentage at a time.
here are some links:
http://m.nashvillescene.com/nashville/a ... id=3309079
http://www.environmentalintegrity.org/n ... evised.pdf
http://astswmo.org/Files/Policies_and_P ... mments.pdf
http://environment-online.state.tn.us:8 ... W_ID:23927
http://www.homefacts.com/environmentalh ... amden.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u83smk_nNJU
pay close attention to the last video, Halaco is the company that moved from california and is now located in Camden beside the Cypress creek. this is why i moved 10 miles south of Camden because of severe headaches and sinus problems from the smoke in the middle of the night(they only operate the smelters after midnight and shut them down before 5am.
you can look all of this up on the net and how many times TDEC has come in tested and did nothing but lay a couple of thousand dollar fines and it was back to business as uaual. so when TDEC said it is coing out of the air i had to laugh. Mercury is a heavy metal, it does not vaporized into the air or dissolved in the rain droplets. it is leached into the water table and deposited in the silt and sediment and is consumed by fish. this is how you can find mercury in some of the bays and not others. now keep in mind that TDEC does not sample the entire lake system only a certain percentage at a time.
here are some links:
http://m.nashvillescene.com/nashville/a ... id=3309079
http://www.environmentalintegrity.org/n ... evised.pdf
http://astswmo.org/Files/Policies_and_P ... mments.pdf
http://environment-online.state.tn.us:8 ... W_ID:23927
http://www.homefacts.com/environmentalh ... amden.html
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u83smk_nNJU
pay close attention to the last video, Halaco is the company that moved from california and is now located in Camden beside the Cypress creek. this is why i moved 10 miles south of Camden because of severe headaches and sinus problems from the smoke in the middle of the night(they only operate the smelters after midnight and shut them down before 5am.
