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I'll preface this by saying I have in no way researched this lady's body of work. For those of you who are not familiar with her she is an autistic lady who made tremendous advancements in certain fields in spite of all of the obstacles and the failures of the educational system to provide people on the spectrum with alternative learning methods. A large portion of her research was regarding animal behavior, so as I listened to one of her speeches tonight I was reminded of certain posts on this board regarding mature deer that are killed and those that remain elusive. I think we assume, because of our pecking order in the food chain,that ultimately hunters will prevail, and maybe that leads us to fail to understand that in the deer's natural habitat they are brilliant. She mentioned that at a fire hydrant a dog knows who has been there, are they friend or are they foe, is mating a possibility, or am I about to kick my butt kicked? Of course, that makes sense right? I have always assumed that there is a "hunter" smell, a combination of coffee, biscuit, dead down wind, and tobacco that lets a deer know to stay away. But is it unrealistic to think that a deer knows YOUR scent? That he knows the sound of your ATV ramps in the back of a dual exhaust V8 Chevy, Colgate on your shoe laces from where you brushed your teeth 90 minutes earlier and then put your boots on? Copenhagen under your fingernails? And then is he able to compute that and know that typically equates to you walking down the SW ridge and sitting with your back to the property line on days with a N wind? Perhaps this is all overkill but I do suspect we don't give wildlife the credit that they are due at times and we allow these animals to pattern us more easily than we suspect.
 
I have and read Temple Grandins book "Animals in Translation". She has insight into their world that has made me a better hunter. What we see with our eyes, they smell with their noses.
 
I think what it boils down to is. An old buck got old by doing what he does. He's managed to not get killed by predators or a hunter. So why would he change that. The longer they are alive the more of these skills to stay alive they have learned. And that is what makes them hard to kill. They have some form of logic obviously or they wouldnt live very long. But it all evolves around eating and staying alive. I would say they could pattern a person if he hunts a lot and in the very same stand. But there skill to avoid danger and stay alive in their home. Gives them the advantage over you.
 
killingtime 41 said:
I think what it boils down to is. An old buck got old by doing what he does. He's managed to not get killed by predators or a hunter. So why would he change that. The longer they are alive the more of these skills to stay alive they have learned. And that is what makes them hard to kill. They have some form of logic obviously or they wouldnt live very long. But it all evolves around eating and staying alive. I would say they could pattern a person if he hunts a lot and in the very same stand. But there skill to avoid danger and stay alive in their home. Gives them the advantage over you.
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Agree but would add that they can pattern a hunter if they hunt even once out of a stand in the right place. They may not avoid it but will definitely smell it before walking past it.
 
Bushape said:
I'll preface this by saying I have in no way researched this lady's body of work. For those of you who are not familiar with her she is an autistic lady who made tremendous advancements in certain fields in spite of all of the obstacles and the failures of the educational system to provide people on the spectrum with alternative learning methods. A large portion of her research was regarding animal behavior, so as I listened to one of her speeches tonight I was reminded of certain posts on this board regarding mature deer that are killed and those that remain elusive. I think we assume, because of our pecking order in the food chain,that ultimately hunters will prevail, and maybe that leads us to fail to understand that in the deer's natural habitat they are brilliant. She mentioned that at a fire hydrant a dog knows who has been there, are they friend or are they foe, is mating a possibility, or am I about to kick my butt kicked? Of course, that makes sense right? I have always assumed that there is a "hunter" smell, a combination of coffee, biscuit, dead down wind, and tobacco that lets a deer know to stay away. But is it unrealistic to think that a deer knows YOUR scent? That he knows the sound of your ATV ramps in the back of a dual exhaust V8 Chevy, Colgate on your shoe laces from where you brushed your teeth 90 minutes earlier and then put your boots on? Copenhagen under your fingernails? And then is he able to compute that and know that typically equates to you walking down the SW ridge and sitting with your back to the property line on days with a N wind? Perhaps this is all overkill but I do suspect we don't give wildlife the credit that they are due at times and we allow these animals to pattern us more easily than we suspect.
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Not only do they know all that but sometimes I think they know season dates and legal shooting times lol
 

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