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Is it true that if you buy the permit, not that I ever would. The TWRA gain their rights to enter your land any time they choose? Oh yeah CWD cured by 50 dollar permit It's a miracle. Money Grab as always. Just wait till those lifetime licenses are no longer good.
 
TN1BUCK said:
Is it true that if you buy the permit, not that I ever would. The TWRA gain their rights to enter your land any time they choose? Oh yeah CWD cured by 50 dollar permit It's a miracle. Money Grab as always. Just wait till those lifetime licenses are no longer good.
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Does anybody have proof that twra is sponsoring this bill? several members have pointed out that twra is making a money grab. I haven't seen their name connected with this in any fashion.
 
TN1BUCK said:
Is it true that if you buy the permit, not that I ever would. The TWRA gain their rights to enter your land any time they choose? Oh yeah CWD cured by 50 dollar permit It's a miracle. Money Grab as always. Just wait till those lifetime licenses are no longer good.
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How would this permit give them access to your land ? That other law is in effect ....by giving the permit don't automatically give them permission to enter your property without landowner permission .
 
Double-D-Team said:
Ya'll need something to complain about. No one is requiring you to bait. Like I always say.....🦌
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Just because someone doesnt agree with someone elses position on a topic doesnt mean they are "complaining"...and there is nothing wrong with speaking up in opposition agaisnt agaisnt a topic that you feel isnt the best choice for all wildlife.

But...it appears its going to pass even though it makes no biological sense to concentrate deer and feed them like cattle. Makes no sense to feed coons and prop up nest raider populations. Makes absolutely no sense to risk aflatoxin poisioning to turkey poults and song birds....but hey, Ill stop "complaining" and go on.
 
FLTENNHUNTER1 said:
Same as food plots.
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Baiting is COMPLETELY different than food plots. Food plots are available all year round. Bait is not. Food plots provide sound nutritional value. Piles of corn do not. My job is to understand herd composition and health dynamics and to teach that information to landowners. If I thought feeding corn had value for wildlife, I would tell landowners to use it. I do not because it does not.
 
BSK said:
Baiting is COMPLETELY different than food plots. Food plots are available all year round. Bait is not. Food plots provide sound nutritional value. Piles of corn do not. My job is to understand herd composition and health dynamics and to teach that information to landowners. If I thought feeding corn had value for wildlife, I would tell landowners to use it. I do not because it does not.
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Still planted to attract deer and hunt over, no?
 
mike243 said:
Does anybody have proof that twra is sponsoring this bill? several members have pointed out that twra is making a money grab. I haven't seen their name connected with this in any fashion.
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TWRA is not sponsoring these bills, and have stated that they are against them.
 
FLTENNHUNTER1 said:
Still planted to attract deer and hunt over, no?
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Planted to feed deer, provide nutritional benefit, and attract der to the property. Some are hunted over, some are not. Most landowners have plots that are never hunted to keep deer using the plots. Fastest way to stop deer from using them is to start shooting deer out of them.
 
BSK said:
Planted to feed deer, provide nutritional benefit, and attract der to the property. Some are hunted over, some are not. Most landowners have plots that are never hunted to keep deer using the plots. Fastest way to stop deer from using them is to start shooting deer out of them.
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Fair enough. Every food plot I've seen has shooting houses adjacent to them. You have seen a heck of a lot more than me for sure. To me, in my opinion, both are used for the same thing. Attract deer so we can shoot them.
 
FLTENNHUNTER1 said:
Fair enough. Every food plot I've seen has shooting houses adjacent to them. You have seen a heck of a lot more than me for sure. To me, in my opinion, both are used for the same thing. Attract deer so we can shoot them.
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I have shooting houses over every one of our plots. Why? Because we wanted someplace for hunters to be able to hunt in the rain. How often do they get used? Some don't get hunted in an entire season. Some, once or twice in an entire season, and then the plots are "buck only." We don't want to chase deer off the plots. What percent of the bucks we kill are killed off plots? Maybe 15%. The majority are killed "back in the woods" at near point-blank range, usually on rut-season travel routes or concentration points.
 
It won't be the end of the world for deer.

But for those that choose to do it and don't trap coons off the feeders, you are going to make it near impossible for a hen to successfully hatch a brood.

On my MS lease, I think the guys ran 10 or 11 feeders all deer season. Literally 2 tons of corn put out. And I convinced one of the younger members to finally start trapping the coons before nesting season. He is up to 42 coons now caught in DP traps in just 7 weeks.

Look at the data on usage of feeders published by MS State... Deer consume only 20% of the corn put out. The rest goes to coons and other varmits.
 
Wonder how many that are in favor for it, will be complaining In a couple years. Because they can't out habitat, out foodplot and now out bait the people truly managing land. That'll be fun to go back in a few years and see the fall out.
 
megalomaniac said:
It won't be the end of the world for deer.

But for those that choose to do it and don't trap coons off the feeders, you are going to make it near impossible for a hen to successfully hatch a brood.

On my MS lease, I think the guys ran 10 or 11 feeders all deer season. Literally 2 tons of corn put out. And I convinced one of the younger members to finally start trapping the coons before nesting season. He is up to 42 coons now caught in DP traps in just 7 weeks.

Look at the data on usage of feeders published by MS State... Deer consume only 20% of the corn put out. The rest goes to coons and other varmits.
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We've seen the same here in AL. The coon population has exploded since baiting has been allowed. Areas that were hurting on turkeys are hurting even worse.

Funny that TWRA is "against" it, but full willing to sell us a permit if it passes. It's a money grab. Same for ALDCNR whether they admit it or not.
 
megalomaniac said:
It won't be the end of the world for deer.

But for those that choose to do it and don't trap coons off the feeders, you are going to make it near impossible for a hen to successfully hatch a brood.

On my MS lease, I think the guys ran 10 or 11 feeders all deer season. Literally 2 tons of corn put out. And I convinced one of the younger members to finally start trapping the coons before nesting season. He is up to 42 coons now caught in DP traps in just 7 weeks.

Look at the data on usage of feeders published by MS State... Deer consume only 20% of the corn put out. The rest goes to coons and other varmits.
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Well said Mega. I have little concern for the deer because of baiting. Nor do I worry my neighbors will draw deer away. They've been baiting for as long as my family has owned our property. Only time I was concerned is when they poured their corn piles on the property line. I knew they were there, which prevented me from hunting my own property nearby. That's when I called the warden. But as long as they keep their feeders and corn piles out of my eyesight, I have no problem with it.

My major concern is for the reputation of hunters and hunting. I take pride in being an outdoorsman, and having learned the intricacies of deer behavior, and as a result become a more successful hunter. Once baiting is legal, hunters that practice it won't be able to say they are woodsman. Just specialists in where to pour piles of corn. Other than that, no knowledge or experience required.

I just hope TN goes the way of what I saw happen in KY. Once baiting was legal, everybody tried it, found out it wasn't the panacea they expected, and many gave up on it. Not everybody, but most of the hardcore hunters did. Why? Because they found out it wasn't helping them kill mature bucks. My wife comes from a big family from around Bowling Green, KY. All her brothers hunt as do most of her nephews. They are serious hunters who kill mature bucks. How many of them bait? None. And that's why they kill mature bucks regularly.
 
TRHC said:
We've seen the same here in AL. The coon population has exploded since baiting has been allowed. Areas that were hurting on turkeys are hurting even worse.

Funny that TWRA is "against" it, but full willing to sell us a permit if it passes. It's a money grab. Same for ALDCNR whether they admit it or not.
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Show us a link please.
 
BSK said:
My major concern is for the reputation of hunters and hunting. I take pride in being an outdoorsman, and having learned the intricacies of deer behavior, and as a result become a more successful hunter. Once baiting is legal, hunters that practice it won't be able to say they are woodsman. Just specialists in where to pour piles of corn. Other than that, no knowledge or experience required.
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Grip and grin hunters. That's the culture we are in sadly. I worry about turkeys. We will always kill mature deer with or without bait, because of our habitat work. I think it's the minority pushing it as well as a money grab. And we'll here we are.

Not many people want to work for what they get they want short cuts and it's now showing in hunting and also fishing.

It is what it is.
 


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