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AndyW said:
Gagging at Jimbo Fisher saying Jameis Winston carries himself with class and dignity.
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Yep his on field interview after the game was sickening. I hope that get everything that is coming to them and then some.
 
TeamMainStreet said:
Does anybody honestly think if the roles were reversed and it was FSU running that play at the end for the win, the refs would have made that call? I highly doubt it. They let the thug and his posse live another day.
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Yep....ACC ref kept the 'Noles alive. The fix was in. No objective ref makes a game-deciding call like that.

I have a sideline video that I'll link later that shows what a sorry call that was. Wait until you see it.
 
Vermin I want it to be known right now that I am in no way a Notre Dame fan. My disclaimer if you will. :laugh:

I did not watch the entire game. Only about the last 7 minutes. But Notre Dame, according to the score and the way they were playing in the fourth, was playing some championship football. They were in the perfect position for the win, they made an outstanding 4th down play and then threw the game winning TD. But they could not let this FSU cash cow be taken down. So the call was made. And that's how it goes. I felt bad for Golsen. He put that drive together and was manning up.
 
Close up view of the game-ending penalty that was called. The ref who threw the flag was the back judge under the goal post. The ref on the sideline and the ref in the back corner of the endzone called it a touchdown. The penalty was called on #7, but if you watch the play unfold you will see that the defender #3 was actually moving inside with no intent to cover #88 who caught the TD.

https://t.co/vtfRKmU8h6
 
I also watched the last few minutes and agree with the call. The inside receiver was bulldozing the DB beyond the line of scrimmage while the ball was in the air. That flag isn't thrown often, but it has hit the ground a handful of times already this season. Defenses are getting tired of not being able to play defense and the coaches are getting in the ref's ears over it. As much as my tream has been screwed over the years, I've come to accept that there is a penalty on just about every single play. It's just he way it is. It still pisses me off that offensive players can grab defender jerseys and it's legal inside the numbers. BS. That's a freakin' hold.

As an aside, this was one game I wish both teams could have lost.
 
Score is final and it doesn't matter, but here's what I see in the sideline video clip...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlX8EhpzwO4

It was man to man coverage.

ND #20 was held by FSU #8 after #8 jammed him off the line.

ND #7 was jammed by FSU #3, who initiated the contact and then clearly made a move INSIDE away from the play. The penalty was called on ND #7.

It looks to me like the job of those 2 FSU DBs was to jam the ND WRs and prevent them from running slants inside. Neither of them were assigned to or cared about #88 who went outside and caught the TD.

The DB covering ND #88 was FSU safety #26 and he was nowhere close to ND #88 because (a) ND #88 lined up deeper and ran a route outside, and (b) the traffic created by the FSU DBs jamming ND #20 and ND #7.

Winston played great in the 2nd half and ND certainly had other opportunities that they didn't capitalize on, but I think that game changing-call was a bad one. None of those 3 FSU defenders would have defended that pass. They guessed wrong and played inside when the play went outside.

One can only speculate, but if the roles were reversed, I don't think ND gets that call from an ACC ref on FSU's home field.

The good news is that ND proved a lot of people (and sports bettors) wrong last night and won over some poll voters (they only fell 3 spots to #8 in the Coaches poll). This should not be a surprise, as Brian Kelly's recruiting has been excellent since his arrival at ND. This is a more athletic, faster, and deeper ND team than the one that took the field against Alabama. After that National Championship game, Brain Kelly admitted ND had a lot of work to do to close the gap, and he has made very good progress. Vol fans may experience the same if Butch Jones is able to continue signing good classes and building quality depth. With road games left against #14 Arizona State and #21 USC, and a home game against Louisville, ND is still in the hunt for a playoff spot if they can find a way to win out and a few teams in the Top 7 take a loss, which they will.
 
Vermin93 said:
Close up view of the game-ending penalty that was called. The ref who threw the flag was the back judge under the goal post. The ref on the sideline and the ref in the back corner of the endzone called it a touchdown. The penalty was called on #7, but if you watch the play unfold you will see that the defender #3 was actually moving inside with no intent to cover #88 who caught the TD.

https://t.co/vtfRKmU8h6
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Refs make bad calls. Its part of the game. If "your" team is up by more than 1 score, bad calls don't really matter. If you score more points you can take the "bias" ref's or bad calls out of the game.
 
BamaProud said:
Vermin93 said:
Close up view of the game-ending penalty that was called. The ref who threw the flag was the back judge under the goal post. The ref on the sideline and the ref in the back corner of the endzone called it a touchdown. The penalty was called on #7, but if you watch the play unfold you will see that the defender #3 was actually moving inside with no intent to cover #88 who caught the TD.

https://t.co/vtfRKmU8h6
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Refs make bad calls. Its part of the game. If "your" team is up by more than 1 score, bad calls don't really matter. If you score more points you can take the "bias" ref's or bad calls out of the game.
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Really? Duh....

Thank you, Captain Obvious.
 
Vermin93 said:
BamaProud said:
Vermin93 said:
Close up view of the game-ending penalty that was called. The ref who threw the flag was the back judge under the goal post. The ref on the sideline and the ref in the back corner of the endzone called it a touchdown. The penalty was called on #7, but if you watch the play unfold you will see that the defender #3 was actually moving inside with no intent to cover #88 who caught the TD.

https://t.co/vtfRKmU8h6
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Refs make bad calls. Its part of the game. If "your" team is up by more than 1 score, bad calls don't really matter. If you score more points you can take the "bias" ref's or bad calls out of the game.
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Really? Duh....

Thank you, Captain Obvious.
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Or you can just cry about it on the Internet Sunday morning. :)

By the way there are 5 SEC teams in the top 9 now.

SEC SEC SEC
 
I don't care for either team, but was hoping ND would win. I'm sick of Jameis Winston and his idiot coach defending him like only a mother could.

However, the call was good. If a receiver is that wide open on a small field, chances are someone is holding or throwing an illegal block. This time TWO ND players #7 & #20 were throwing illegal blocks. Those defenders can't run block in that situation.
 
I didn't see any of the game but looking at the clip posted its clear to me that ND #7 starts out wide and hooks the defender back in and is no doubt a penalty. I don't have a dog in the fight but am glad ND lost as I can't stand them.
 
Notre Dame played well. They are coached to make that pick almost every pass play. WINSTON was great in the second half.Jimbo is a great coach who backs his players when innocent. Notre Dame is for all purposes in the ACC.This will be a great game for years to come.GO Noles and Winston.Haters gonna hate.
 
Jimbo would back Winston if he was on camera kicking a baby across the street. He's riding that POS all the way to a paycheck. Nobody has ever said Winston was innocent, ever, except FSU fans. Besides the stuff we positively know he did, having the authorities say there isn't enough evidence to indict for rape isn't a ringing endorsement, especially given the half-arsed investigation in the first place.
 
Gravey said:
I didn't see any of the game but looking at the clip posted its clear to me that ND #7 starts out wide and hooks the defender back in and is no doubt a penalty. I don't have a dog in the fight but am glad ND lost as I can't stand them.
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Here is yet another angle on the play.

http://www.ndinsider.com/multimedia/videos/video-end-zone-view-of-controversial-notre-dame-penalty/video_84f27a20-57e2-11e4-8871-0017a43b2370.html

It's crystal clear in that clip for all to see. Watch the far left with ND #7 and FSU #3. At the 11 second mark you clearly see FSU #3 voluntarily move to the inside against ND #7. FSU #3 very clearly took himself out of the play, plain and simple. FSU #3, #8 and #26 guessed wrong and blew the coverage. Only a blind, FSU homer would claim otherwise after watching the evidence in that clip.

FSU blew the coverage, got beat bad, and the ACC ref bailed them out. It's a tainted win for FSU to go along with their tainted season and the tainted career of Jameis Winston. I can't stand the SEC, but I hope they send FSU packing in the playoffs after that crap.
 
Vermin93 said:
Gravey said:
It's crystal clear in that clip for all to see. Watch the far left with ND #7 and FSU #3. At the 11 second mark you clearly see FSU #3 voluntarily move to the inside against ND #7. FSU #3 very clearly took himself out of the play, plain and simple. FSU #3, #8 and #26 guessed wrong and blew the coverage. Only a blind, FSU homer would claim otherwise after watching the evidence in that clip.
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:D It doesn't matter that hey were out of position. It doesn't change the fact that BOTH WRs blocked illegally.

Only a blind ND homer .... well you know!

ND had plenty of chances to win that game. They exposed FSU's weaknesses. They aren't the same team from last year.
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The most telling image available, other than the video clip which clearly shows FSU #3 jumping the route inside against ND #7 while the play goes outside, is the 3 FSU DB's all pointing at each other right after the play with a look of "who was supposed to cover that guy that caught the ball?".

The angle from the back of the endzone shows all. Blown coverage, badly beaten, zero chance of breaking up the play even if they were completely untouched, and then bailed out by a home-conference official.

May not matter, though. ND only fell 2 spots from #5 to #7. They need to win out, which will not be easy with road games at USC and ASU, and hope that 3 or 4 of the 6 teams in front of them drop a game. I think 10-2 is probably more likely than 11-1, but anything is possible.
 

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