And while I am at it I will tell you something else I found. The Indian Creek .665 didn't shoot near as well as the .669 Indian Creek choke did. I tried a .655 and it put around 250 shot in the 10" and was pretty good. But I wanted better. So I tried the .669 and it shot very well. Then I tried the .675 and it didn't shoot as good as the .669. I settled for the .669. Now that choke will do better in time and with warmer temperatures. But I would say that is plenty good for typical pattens coming from that choke. I think too many guys shoot too tight of chokes with these loads. .669 to .675 will work in a lot of barrels.
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Harold Money jr
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I shoot a youth model 870 in 20 ga. I bought a rem xtra full choke for $9.95 with it I use 3in. #7's in hevi shot. It shoots awesome! I would and have shot gobblers at longer distances than I would with my 3in. 11/87 in 12ga.
Welll I tried a .665 Indian Creek BDS at first. It didn't do as good as I wanted. Then I tried a .655 and it shot better but I still thought I could do better. So I tried the .669 and it shot very well. But I wanted to try a .675 so I did and it didn't shoot as good as the .669. I thought the .675 Indian Crrek BDS would shoot about like the MAD Super Max .675, but it didn't. The Super MAx doesn't have the wad stripper feature like the newer Indian Creek BDS does. They no longer make the MAD Super Max choke. I was referring to the current production Indian Creek BDS chokes.
Buck Assassin
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I think I am going to try some this year.
I decided to recount that first pattern and eliminate maybe some possible shot being counted as 2. I came up with a very respectful 297 shot in the 10" and there is 501 shot altogether inside the 20" circle. That's my best I have done with these loads. That's about 86% of the payload inside the 20".
TLRanger
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Question after reading the article on polishing the barrel:
What is the reason for not polishing the choke and chamber?
What is the reason for not polishing the choke and chamber?
Well I polished both. But on the choke you can alter a good shooting choke if you polish it. I know I have. If you got a good shooting choke, your better to leave it alone. I put a old cheap choke in my barrels when I polish them. Polsihing the chamber don't do a thing regardless of what you may hear other thn the fact that your action will cycle shells from the chamber more smoothly and easily from my findings. It won'thelp the gun shoot any better though. I used the JB and Kroil method to polish my barrels and scotchbrite over the brush. I used a 10GA brush on my 835 and I believe a 12GA brush on my 870. I used a cordless drill on my but I would say a electic drill would even be better since it could stay constant on the power. I bought a cheap 28" one piece cleaning rod at wally world and removed the handle and inserted into my drill to polish my 870 barrel. The 835 I think I used a 3 piece. But as long as it will chuck in your drill it will work.
TLRanger
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Thanks Brad.......I didn't think polishing the chamber would hurt. If fact, it probably would make it chamber a shell easier but it would be difficule to keep your cleaning rod straight without a guide in the chamber.
On the choke, I was wondering if it should be polished or left alone to assist stripping the cup and wads from the shot. Will not polish the choke tube that I am going to use.
On the choke, I was wondering if it should be polished or left alone to assist stripping the cup and wads from the shot. Will not polish the choke tube that I am going to use.
With my IC choke, I noticed a considerable amount of plastic caught on the inside walls of the "wad catchers" after 5-10 shots (patterning my gun last spring). My experience has been the IC chokes shoot great but they foul with plastic pretty fast (4-6 shots). For this reason alone, I DO clean my IC chokes to remove this plastic buildup before season and then again midway through IF I see the need. Basically I inspect my choke after 2-3 shots and go from there. I use a brass brush and cordless drill and slowly clean out my IC choke when necessary.TLRanger said:
The quote below is from another message board I frequent. I though it might help some of the guys here who shoot "wad catcher" chokes like the IC.
"A short piece of cleaning rod, a 12GA brass brush (dry), and a cordless drill are standard cleaning tools for an Indian Creek choke tube possessing wad catchers. Wad catchers are designed to catch the wad and shave plastic off of it. The wad catchers can become full of plastic in as little as 3 shots. Clean it after each shot and your performance level during testing will become even more predictable."
CAMARO12 said:
Your still not getting what I said. I am talking about the Indian Creek BDS chokes right now only and not the MAD Super Max. 675 which is another model of the older Indian Creek designed for MAD. Do you understand? Out of the current Indian Creek BDS chokes the .669 shot better than the .675. I hope this clears the air. The MAD Super Max shot better yet. But that don't mean the Super MAx will always be the winner. THat .669 Indian Creek BDS shoots extremely well too. And it shoots pretty much deadnut. I still haven't made up my mind for sure whichh one I'm gonna shoot this spring. I probably will be toting my 835 and the new Indian Creek BDS .675 choke that I just bought that I think is going to light it up with the 3.5" Hevi-13 #7 loads.
TLRanger said:
If I were you I would just run a brush with some Kroil through the choke and not use a drill. That's my advice. I very seldom even clean mine, and I haven't noticed much of any difference as for consistency.
TheLBLman
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Talking about the "wad catcher" chokes:Andy S. said:
The Federal "Heavyweights" are not recommended (by Federal) for use with "wad catcher" or ported choke tubes. This is because the Federal "Heavyweights" have a "Flight Control" wad that is designed to stay with the shot string. I've had those wads hit the center of a pattern board at 40 yards, so they really seem to be staying with the shot column (at least from a non-ported choke).
One reason I'm bringing this up is because the Federal "Heavyweights" in #7 shot size are a FAR SUPERIOR load to the H-17 straight #7's. The Federals are not only about 30% heavier than lead (and about 10% heavier than H-13), but they're coming out at a blazing 1,300 fps. The H-13 straight 7's are listed at about 1,100 fps.
Combining the greater density and 18% faster velocity, the Federals SHOULD be superior long-range loads. The bigger issue to me is which load patterns most uniformly. Either should do the job on a turkey's head at 45 yards.
I'm "thinking" about trying the Federal Heavyweight #7's in my Indian Creek choke. This may leave a lot more plastic behind in the ports, and may produce unacceptable patterns. Won't know until tried.
[size]But am I "behaving stupidly" for even thinking about trying this?[/size]
My only concern is an overlooked safety issue, since Federal says their shells are not designed for ported choke tubes.
Those Federal 7's are wicked. But you will get way better pattern density with the Hevi-13 #7's in the 12GA loads. In 20GA they are the cats meow because they offer a 1 and 1/2oz load. But they don't offer them in anything bigger than 1 and 7/8oz load. I still say Federal needs to go back to their old wad that used to shoot the lead turky loads so well.
But speaking of the Federal, look at this pattern. It was shot with a Indian Creek .650. Don't know if that was a non-ported choke or not or if it didn't have the wad stripper feature. I don't know what load that is whether it was the 3.5" 1 and 7/8oz load or the 3" 1 and 5/8 oz load. But I'm guessing it to be the 3.5" load.
It's just hard to find a factory load that will beat the Hevi-13 #7 loads in 12GA. That's why I shoot them. The best loads I have found.
Check this link out. It's a big picture but hard not to like the results. That will tell you what it will do to a real live turkey head and neck at 40yds. This is actually the front side of the target above on the left. That was shot with a .655 Rem Ventilator choke. Not all will shoot that well out of that choke because I think it is a little too tight for overall consistency. But it sure lit that target up. It still shoots very well from shot to shot though. Once you click that link and it shrinks down, you can put your cursor on the picture and click your mouse to make it bigger.
http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF0142.jpg
Check this link out. It's a big picture but hard not to like the results. That will tell you what it will do to a real live turkey head and neck at 40yds. This is actually the front side of the target above on the left. That was shot with a .655 Rem Ventilator choke. Not all will shoot that well out of that choke because I think it is a little too tight for overall consistency. But it sure lit that target up. It still shoots very well from shot to shot though. Once you click that link and it shrinks down, you can put your cursor on the picture and click your mouse to make it bigger.
http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF0142.jpg
