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The only carbon arrows I have were bought at the big blue god of cheap stuff just to experiment with, other than they were cheap I dont know beans about carbon arrows & need to buy some good ones before long, all I know is old school aluminum specs.

So would somone be so kind as to enlighten me on the carbon arrow basics ??

What grains of wt per pounds of draw weight, spine, broadhead compatability,diamiter/wall thickness...that kind of stuff.

Thanks
 
Switching from alum to carbon huh......oh boy you are in for a treat. Spine and gpi are where you need to start. Diameter is just preference in my opinion. Stick with the generalrules of arrow building and you will be fine. what is your current setup?
 
To be honest I dont remember the details but I always favored heavier arrows VS the super light weight stuff, as metioned 2117s with 145 grain broadheads & feathers, its been sevral years since I've even shot my compound & just recently got the bug for it again.

Everything is kind of the same but new again also, still hear talk about FPS & arrow wt, they just changed a few things that I have to relearn.
 
what year and model of bow, what draw weight, arrow length and I can get your spine for whatever arrow you want.

My general rule of thumb is around 14 grains of total arrow weight per inch of draw�that seems to be the "sweet spot" for most in speed, energy and trajectory. However, some tend to favor heavier arrows, while some tend to go on the lighter side.
 
If you look you can find carbons that weigh more than aluminum. that is what I did and I like them. I shoot a 498 grain or so arrow setup at 275-280 fps.
 
used to I shot heavy, my braodheads were usualy the old bear razor heads (carbon steel if I could find them) or the magnus, realy liked them because they could be resharpened to the point of shaving & were heavy enuff to carry the energy of the bow.

Now I'm think'n of something lighter, probably in the 100 gr size, still want enuff weight to penetrate tho.
 
Fox Fire don't worry about all this heavy vs. light or aluminum vs. carbon. Just get out and shoot. That is what is all about. Just love the one your with.
 
"The future of bowhunting depends on effective education"..... Bill Wadsworth

Its all about the learn'n, when we learn we refine & progress, if we dont we would still be shooting sticks & stones.
 
Hoss, I agree to some extent but there are many who will are only all about speed and shooting an extremely light arrow just to get speed is not a good thing IMO.
 
Good one Radar! I will add one thing to all of this....when selecting an arrow you will need to crunch a few numbers. It is all about finding the perfect balanced arrow. One that is not to light or to heavy. Too light and you loose the ability to carry speed and energy downrange�a light arrow loses speed, therefore also losing energy, at a higher rate than a heavier arrow will. However, heavier arrows are slower and have a larger drop in trajectory, but carry their speed and energy further downrange. It is all about the finding that perfect balance, and it can be found.
 
Usually I'll take the mid weight arrows, never cared for ultra light arrows or be'n a speed freak but rather have enuff weight to retain energy down range for good penatration, & for me thats no more than 35-40 yards max, with my older bow & shoot'n skills (or lack therof) thats plenty far enuff.
 
Its all about the learn'n, when we learn we refine & progress, if we dont we would still be shooting sticks & stones.

Well there you go. Don't forget to consider the amount of deflection each arrow shaft type generates in probably .25" increments in order to maximize your efficiency of inertial energy to optimize the amount of kinetic energy generated by your bow. Also you may want to consider the impact that some of the insert components and their design and construction will add to the efficiency of the arrow as well. I think there are 10 to 20 different arrow components available for the Easton line of arrow shafts(aluminum and carbon, not to mention the arrow shafts that are both aluminum and carbon fused together). Some of the other arrow manufacturers make specialized components that either improve or degrade the performance of their particular arrow brand (depending on which camp you find yourself in). Then we have the different types and weights of broadheads that will also affect the dymanics of the arrows function and mechanics, not to mention flight characteristics and ballistic efficiency. The Fletches will also have to be considered as the weight, height, and stiffness of the construction of each fletching type and brand will need to be evaluated as to how it relates to each of the above criteria on an individual basis. Remember that the different fletching types can also be greatly affected to a greater or lesser degree by the atmospheric conditions,i.e. wind rain, himidity. Oh, yeah don't forget to calculate the effects of the cresting or wraps or lack thereof as that too will affect the spine, deflection, efficiency and the kinetic energy both imparted on the shaft along with the amount of that energy that is retained through out the the flight of the arrow depending on the amount of resistance imparted on the above mentioned components and fletching choices. Don't forget Front of Center. Small changes in FOC can have a tremendous effect on the arrow and it's flight characteristics. FOC is a huge factor in selecting each single aspect of the arrow. Surface coating can be a major or minor influence on penetration along with affecting the amount of noise the arrow shaft makes while drawing and releasing the arrow on the rest. Some even believe the amount of noise the arrow makes in flight is also affected by this variable. Oh yeah how much noise the arrow makes in flight can also be affected by the fletches, broadhead, cresting and the amount of deflection and the speed of the arrow as well. The last thing you want is that buck of a lifetime ducking your arrow because he heard it coming at him at a speed that is either too slow or so fast that it generates a frightnening sound akin to a Lear Jet on final approach. We must also consider the nock. There are a couple of dozen different aftermarket nocks available for the average arrowsmith (the occupation not the rockband) to consider. Some are longer, shorter, lighter, heavier, some with rubber dampeners and some with set screws. Most come with either a tighter fit on the string or a looser fit. All these factors will affect arrow flight and efficiency. The amount of energy and speed delivered to the arrow can be greatly increased or decreased depending on the selection of each and every one of these arrow components and variations. Don't forget to ponder your color choices on the various components of the arrow. While the color may not affect the mechanical performance of the arrow it will definately affect your perception of the arrow and it's flight. There is a great advantage to watching your arrow as it passes through the air to find it's mark on a target. This could prove vital in a hunting situation. So choose wisely your next hunt may very well hinge on the choices made today in your arrow selection. I'm thinking about 1.25 million to just under 3 million possible combinations available.

Orrrrr..... You can just not worry too much about it and have a good time. It is your choice. Oh by the way an arrow chart is your best friend. Go by the chart pick the arrow that is in the middle of your parameters and you can rarely go wrong. Of course if you've got a few tens of millions of dollars to spend and a couple of hundred of years to test them all, the choice will be clear given the correct amount of testing. :D

In case you didn't get the joke my entire post is one!!! UTGrad please don't melt down when you read this (I know how you like to analyze all the data). I am only joking around.
 
Thanks for the effort Hoss, I'm not gonna overthink it but just wanted to know the nuts & bolts of it, things have changed & I needed to catch up.

What got me into shoot'n recurves was that everything compound was so over done it took the fun out of it for me, the recurve was/is a simple stick & string that offered quiet, uncluttered, light weight & hassle free shoot'n, good stuff man.

I like to learn but if it aint fun why bother rite.
 
Back to the original subject , I remember when Easton Gamegetter 2117 aluminum shafts were the arrow of choice . Then I switched to Easton 2413 XX75 aluminum shafts because they were lighter with a slightly stiffer spine .
That being said , I prefer canon arrows because of the durability , spine tolerance range , and less weight than comparable spine aluminum arrows .
 
Got around to shoot'n some today, have to say carbon aint bad at all, shoot'n buddy had a couple he broke a while back, suprised me just how thin the wall is on them.
 

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