Tom Limit By The Years

8 POINTS OR BETTER

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The agency has liberalized the number
of county (non-WMA) birds that are
allowed from two, prior to 1999, to three
birds from 2000-2005, and then to four
birds from 2006 to the present.
 
Interesting.

I may be off about a year, but, the overall best turkey hunting I've had was about 1997-2004.

While there have been some annual ups & downs, it's been more down than up since the 4-bird limit went into effect. I admit, most of my experiences have been limited to a single TN County (Stewart), but these experiences seem to be fairly congruent with other long-time turkey hunters from other TN counties that had well-established turkey flocks during the 1990's.

It kinda seems most of those counties with the most turkeys in the 90's have (relatively) gone downhill most, and it's been much the "newer" turkey counties that have camouflaged this downturn. Not to mentioned, a lot of "newer" turkey hunters who never experienced the routine daily gobbling of 6-plus longbeards, which seemed to be more common statewide during the last few years of that 2-bird limit, and it was more this extra gobbling that made the hunting exciting than how many birds we could kill.

Never mind that I've spent much time and money improving habitat in my turkey hunting areas over the past 15 years, and by most measures, the habitat is now significantly better for turkeys than during the late 90's.

How much did the higher limits have to do with this decline? I don't know. But I'm positive they have been a factor in that decline, and reducing this 4-bird limit is at least one step that could be taken to help. And at this point, I believe there is much more reason to lower that limit than there ever was to raise it.
 
Keep in mind that during some of the 2-bird years, you could also kill two additional birds on certain WMAs.

If they do ever make a reduction, I hope they don't return to something similar, as the WMAs are already crowded enough.
 
I also have harvest data from the early 1990's to present. Its is almost sickening to look at the correlation of the limit being raised to 4 in 2006 and the drop in harvest totals for a lot of the counties.
 
8 POINTS OR BETTER":34fosff2 said:
I also have harvest data from the early 1990's to present. Its is almost sickening to look at the correlation of the limit being raised to 4 in 2006 and the drop in harvest totals for a lot of the counties.

Can you post this please?
 
ZachMarkus":2z6penkw said:
8 POINTS OR BETTER":2z6penkw said:
I also have harvest data from the early 1990's to present. Its is almost sickening to look at the correlation of the limit being raised to 4 in 2006 and the drop in harvest totals for a lot of the counties.

Can you post this please?

You Lawrence County boys don't want to see it, it will make you throw-up.




PM me your email address and I will try to send it to you. It may be tomorrow before I can get it to you.
 
8 POINTS OR BETTER":1j74qb2t said:
ZachMarkus":1j74qb2t said:
8 POINTS OR BETTER":1j74qb2t said:
I also have harvest data from the early 1990's to present. Its is almost sickening to look at the correlation of the limit being raised to 4 in 2006 and the drop in harvest totals for a lot of the counties.

Can you post this please?

You Lawrence County boys don't want to see it, it will make you throw-up.




PM me your email address and I will try to send it to you. It may be tomorrow before I can get it to you.

You're probably right. PM sent.
 
Wes Parrish":1wm4fnhv said:
I may be off about a year, but, the overall best turkey hunting I've had was about 1997-2004.
The same can be said for the middle TN counties I have hunted, with the peak occurring somewhere around 2000-2002. I am basing my opinion on hunter observation and hunter success, such as turkey sign in the woods, turkeys heard on limb at daylight, turkeys seen while driving down the road and turkeys killed within the circle of hunters I hunt and converse with. Notice I said turkeys, not gobblers, thus referring to entire turkey flocks in these general areas.
 
Hardin and Wayne County Spring Harvest
Hardin --- ---------- ---- ------ Wayne-------Lawerence
1990= 86 --- ---------- -- ------ no season---------45
1991=83 --- ----------- -- ------ - 46----------------43
1992=59 --- ----------- -- ------ - 50----------------52
1993=72 --- ----------- -- ------ - 71----------------62
1994=128 --- ---------- -- ------- 144----------------88
1995=211 --- ------------ ------- 168----------------120
1996=202 ------------- -- ------- 144----------------140
1997=253 ------------- -- ------- 266----------------185
1998=286 ------------- -- ------- 325----------------185
1999=245 ------------- -- ------- 245----------------191
2000=294 limit raised to 3 --- 490----------------347
2001=374 ------------ - -- ------- 517---------------472
2002=492 ------------- -- ------- 596----------------543
2003=567 ------------- -- ------- 680-----------------539
2004=791 ------------- -- ------ - 806----------------499
2005=722 ------------- -- ------ 889------------------450
2006=771 limit raised to 4 -- 944-----------------469
2007=596 ------------- -- ------ 577-----------------388
2008=516 ------------- -- ------ 446-----------------338
2009=450 ------------- -- ------ 417-----------------308
2010=596 ------------- -- ------ 608-----------------316
2011=628 ------------- -- ------ 572-----------------302
2012=502 ------------- -- ------ 520-----------------290
2013=523 ------------- -- ------ 444-----------------279
2014=591 ------------- -- ------ 517-----------------296
2015=561 ------------- -- ------ 434-----------------197
 
Would you mind posting Bedford counties #'s in that time period.
I didn't start hunting this county until 99 and 2000 was my first yr to limit out. Killed mine every yr since then.
 
8 POINTS OR BETTER":3vug16e0 said:
The agency has liberalized the number
of county (non-WMA) birds that are
allowed from two, prior to 1999, to three
birds from 2000-2005, and then to four
birds from 2006 to the present.


It makes sense now. i looked at the data and 2006 saw a spike in harvest in the counties i hunt, i figured it had to be the year they raised the limit. Then it dropped a couple of years, then it spiked in 2013 in many of the county I hunt.
 
8 POINTS OR BETTER":1ksmakiy said:
Hardin and Wayne County Spring Harvest
Hardin --- ---------- ---- ------ Wayne
1990= 86 --- ---------- -- ------ no season
1991=83 --- ----------- -- ------ - 46
1992=59 --- ----------- -- ------ - 50
1993=72 --- ----------- -- ------ - 71
1994=128 --- ---------- -- ------- 144
1995=211 --- ------------ ------- 168
1996=202 ------------- -- ------- 144
1997=253 ------------- -- ------- 266
1998=286 ------------- -- ------- 325
1999=245 ------------- -- ------- 245
2000=294 limit raised to 3 --- 490
2001=374 ------------ - -- ------- 517
2002=492 ------------- -- ------- 596
2003=567 ------------- -- ------- 680
2004=791 ------------- -- ------ - 806
2005=722 ------------- -- ------ 889
2006=771 limit raised to 4 -- 944
2007=596 ------------- -- ------ 577
2008=516 ------------- -- ------ 446
2009=450 ------------- -- ------ 417
2010=596 ------------- -- ------ 608
2011=628 ------------- -- ------ 572
2012=502 ------------- -- ------ 520
2013=523 ------------- -- ------ 444
2014=591 ------------- -- ------ 517
2015=561 ------------- -- ------ 434

How and where did you get #'s back that far? also it appears that the 3 bird days was the best for your counties.
 
callemquacktn":28m9mzyn said:
Would you mind posting Bedford counties #'s in that time period.
I didn't start hunting this county until 99 and 2000 was my first yr to limit out. Killed mine every yr since then.

Bedford county

1990- 44

1991- 53

1992- 76

1993- 105

1994- 145

1995- 179

1996- 237

1997- 271

1998- 235

1999- 314

3 bird limit

2000-488

2001- 630

2002- 583

2003- 572

2004-495

2005- 478

4 bird limit

2006-559

2007- 561

2008- 477

2009- 415

2010- 596

2011- 539
 
Look at the fall limits and harvest for those dates because I don't think raising the tom limit was to blame.


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