Has anyone shot any of these 2 oz 20 gauge loads? Local guy got his ammo business out to the public now. I told him I would take a few boxes. I ended up getting 2 boxes of the 1 5/8 oz and after he kept sending me pattern pics I decided to buy 2 boxes of the 2oz to see what it was about. I'll pick them up tomorrow
2oz 20 gauge.
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Andy S.
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TSS? If so, you better have an open choke to force 2 ounces of nondeformable shot out of. I've seen some damaged 20G chokes and barrels with 20G 1 7/16 and 1 3/4 ounce shells paired with over constricted chokes. To be honest, it takes about 1-1.25 ounces of TSS #9s to adequately kill any turkey out to 40-45 yards. Food for thought.
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to add onto Andys comment, you need to be careful as well depending on the gun you are running it in. Weatherby, Tristar and a few other auto's recommend NOT to run shells that heavy in them. It will break the action on it, there are a number of threads and comments on Old Gobbler of it happening to guys in those guns. Inertia guns it should be fine but a gas operated gun I would be careful with.
I'm running an m2. The patterns he sent me were surprisingly .555 chokes. I'll prolly stick to the 1 5/8oz out of it. I had actually considered shooting my jebs 580 waterfowl with the 2oz.
I bet that 2oz load packs a punch in a lightweight gun haha especially an inertia one
Yeah that's why I was so hesitant. But he kept sending me pics of patterns so I figure I'd try it. And they are way cheaper than apex at this time. The 1 5/8oz was 45 the 2 oz was 50. With no tax.
megalomaniac
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I have been shooting the BossTom 2oz 20g loads for the past 4 or 5 years or so. Back then they were $45 a box, cheaper than any 1 5/8 oz loads I could find.
I've been very pleased with them in my 870 youth compact with .562-5 Sumtoy. even 240/240 pattern or so, but def a few more flyers outside the 20 (prob from the constriction). Everything has died it has been shot at.
I'm down to my last 3 of those shells, and won't use them again. Not that I haven't been happy with them, but because they have now gone up to $60 a box. I've got a ton of other brand TSS I've bought on sale in the past few years for $25-$35 a box and will be using them instead when I fire my last boss tom.
I will say this, they initially claimed 1150 fps when I bought them. I ran them thru my chrono and was only getting 1050 fps, which makes more sense. They have since updated their website to reflect accurate velocity. And now looks like they offer a 2 1/16 oz load, I guess just for those who only look at payload and think it's everything.
I guess bottom line is... i don't give a rip about the shell when it comes to TSS #9's. They are ALL gonna be a 100% dead bird at 40y and in unless I pull the shot (which I don't, thankfully). They are all so far overkill I opt for the cheapest one I can find. I suppose if you were wanting to shoot birds at 60 yards, tweaking for an insane hot core would be worth it.... but the day I intentionally shoot at a bird at 60 yards is the day I quit hunting them.
I've been very pleased with them in my 870 youth compact with .562-5 Sumtoy. even 240/240 pattern or so, but def a few more flyers outside the 20 (prob from the constriction). Everything has died it has been shot at.
I'm down to my last 3 of those shells, and won't use them again. Not that I haven't been happy with them, but because they have now gone up to $60 a box. I've got a ton of other brand TSS I've bought on sale in the past few years for $25-$35 a box and will be using them instead when I fire my last boss tom.
I will say this, they initially claimed 1150 fps when I bought them. I ran them thru my chrono and was only getting 1050 fps, which makes more sense. They have since updated their website to reflect accurate velocity. And now looks like they offer a 2 1/16 oz load, I guess just for those who only look at payload and think it's everything.
I guess bottom line is... i don't give a rip about the shell when it comes to TSS #9's. They are ALL gonna be a 100% dead bird at 40y and in unless I pull the shot (which I don't, thankfully). They are all so far overkill I opt for the cheapest one I can find. I suppose if you were wanting to shoot birds at 60 yards, tweaking for an insane hot core would be worth it.... but the day I intentionally shoot at a bird at 60 yards is the day I quit hunting them.
The price factor was what made me go with this guys. And then the patterns made me get a couple of the oz to try. I had a couple boxes of apex 1 3/8oz 2 3/4 when I had my 1100 youth. It shot great and they shot great out of my other m2 with factory full choke. We shall see how it does with both of these loads.
In my 20 autos 11/2 oz is heavy as i shoot in them, 15/8 out of my pumps
Southern Sportsman
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I was aware when Hal developed a 2 oz 20 gauge load. But my 1 5/8 oz loads already throw a devastating pattern that is 100% lethal farther than one ought to shoot at turkeys. I'm not against overkill. In fact, I like overkill. I killed several with 2 oz 12 ga loads, and even a couple with 3.5", 2.5 oz loads before I retired my 12 gauge. But I have since concluded that 1 5/8 IS overkill. So, in my humble opinion, going to 2 oz just "wastes" ~ $1 worth of tungsten per shot, causes more recoil, and offers little if any advantage over the more common 1 5/8 oz loads.
This.
I used to shoot the boss 2 oz loads out of my 20 gauge Tristar. The gun will no longer cycle. I quit shooting those shells altogether after myself and a few buddies started having issues when patterning. We were all getting slug type holes in the pattern occasionally like the pellets were sticking together.
Last year I switched to Apex ammo. So far so good.
Last year I switched to Apex ammo. So far so good.
megalomaniac
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the slug pattern from those shells is because about 20-30 pellets are stuck in the bottom of the wad
megalomaniac
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If I can get 2oz loads cheaper than 1 5/8oz loads, I'll do it all day and twice on sundays! The one thing I won't do is go from #9s to #7s regardless of the price. I'm sure 7s are fine, but nothing is escaping the 9s for sure!
I still say go with the cheapest #9s you can find on sale. Brand or payload does not matter one bit. They are that effective.
Andy S.
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Few years back, this was a fairly common outcome from heavy payload 20G Boss TSS ammo paired with an over constricted choke. Result is wad flipping in air, some shot sticking inside wad, shot pushing wad downrange blowing through paper target, just like a slug. Undesirable blown patterns are common when this happens. To take it a step further, and verify this theory, a few hunters using Boss TSS heavy payload ammo have found the plastic wad buried in their dead turkey's body. As with many things in life, more is not always better.
I still have 5 or 6 boxes of the boss 2 oz loads. I may throw one in one of my 870s and see what happens with a factory full.
I saw the aftermath of an "MOA" load (2-1/16 oz maybe..) through a friend's 11-87. The result was a broken weld (in 2 separate pieces) between the barrel and magazine ring. Too much gas trying to escape that hole. Y'all are grown men and welcome to do what you want, but no way in hell I'm running a 2 oz 20 ga load through any gun or choke I remotely care about!
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If you're only getting roughly 480 pellets in a 20" circle with that 2 oz load, I see why you're getting them cheaper than 1-5/8 oz loads.
I get that dead is dead, but I disagree that brand and payload does not matter one bit. I've seen too many reviews where certain brands definitely outperform others as far as patterns are concerned. However, if you're happy with your purchases, that's all that matters.
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Seems to be too much payload with normal powder amount and velocities used. Newtons Laws of Inertia come into play. I would be scared to fool with it. But I'm not a professional loader.
1-5/8 and 1-1/2oz is perfect in a 3" load anyways. And 1-1/4oz to 1-3/8oz in the 2-3/4".
1-5/8 and 1-1/2oz is perfect in a 3" load anyways. And 1-1/4oz to 1-3/8oz in the 2-3/4".
